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A stark and painful reminder of why military suppression of a sovereign civilian population does not work.

A frame-grab from a US Apache gunship video of unarmed Iraqi civilians being killed. (photo: Apache Crew)
A frame-grab from a US Apache gunship video of unarmed Iraqi civilians being killed. (photo: Apache Crew)

 

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+26 # Guest 2010-04-05 22:42
Both wars were based on lies. Eight years, a million lives and how many billion dollars wasted on lies. But still we continue. Tragedies like this are inevitable in stupid wars. Stop the wars!
 
 
+25 # Guest 2010-04-05 23:35
If you listen to the sound track of the film you also hear that whoever did the shooting had fun doing it. Killing civilians is hardly justified if there's no threat. These yahoos are playing video games with real people's lives and families. There is only one word for what we witness in this film. Murder
 
 
-29 # Guest 2010-04-05 23:54
If you actually watch the video, instead of relying on the unsubstantiated claims of others, you will see that the folks in the video *are* armed (you can clearly see they are armed), and that anotehr unit had been taking small arms fire from that position earlier. Also, if you watch the video, you can clearly see someone with an RPG taking aim at the helicopter just before it orbits around the building.
 
 
+4 # Guest 2010-04-06 08:44
Regardless of that, this is still murder. There were no weapons aimed at the helicopter, or whoever was doing the shooting, no reason to open fire on the van or the guys attempting to assist the photographer, nothing fired from the guy who might have been holding an RPG. If they were aggressive fighters, why would they not fire? But, why would they instigate an attack? They have no real defensive weapons relative to a helicopter.

The military lies endlessly about their actions and the so-called "military" they are up against.
 
 
+5 # Guest 2010-04-06 18:23
Actually, you're wrong. That wasn't an RPG. That was a camera. The journalist was carrying a camera, which the crew of the heli misidentified as a weapon right from the start.

These creeps make me even more ashamed to be an American.
 
 
-6 # Guest 2010-04-12 22:09
first off from that distance it was hard to make out whether they were carrying weapons or not...second off they were taking fire from somewhere near that area earlier...third off the helicopter were circling the area which means that were not in range of being attacked--regar dless if those people had weapons are not, if they fired the bullets, the bullets would not have reached the helicopter...le t me ask you then if you were screening an area that you were taking fire from earlier and you a large group or people carry strapped items to their body, isnt it a justified assumption to say they could be carrying weapons? notice i did not say to kill them, but to identify them as carrying weapons?
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-04-14 11:44
IF I saw helicopters and soldier coming near where I live I'd be armed too.

This shows that WE SHOULDN"T BE THERE. Maybe we should stop Occupying countries and killing people because we can. This is sickening and truly shows how horrible our government has become.

Our Founding Fathers would be horrified with us!
 
 
-5 # Guest 2010-04-17 14:52
Well, I'm glad to see that someone was paying attention. As an eight year Army veteran and a soldier who served three tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, I can say that the majority of you have no idea how it is over there. I believe that there were weapons, however I probably would not have shot the van up, but regardless it is war. It's sad, but the Soldiers still need everyone's support instead of this negative criticism and press. You all should be ashamed of yourselves to even judge these men and women. Try doing it yourself and then come back and tell us how you felt in the situations that you found yourselves in.
 
 
+7 # Guest 2010-12-07 08:19
That being the case. In reference to the van incident. If you are a professional soldier, you should have the ability to remain calm in a battle situation..righ t? You should assess a situation then ask for your orders. My assessment was that they were picking up the wounded which the American soldier even quotes. So why then ask to shoot at unarmed men? You can also see what kind of people are flying that helicopter when they laugh about the humvee running over the body. They are not soldiers, they are trigger happy kids playing a computer game.
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-12-07 08:11
If so why shoot the van that is just trying to help the wounded? Its wrong, That would make you a monster.
 
 
+1 # John Bailey 2011-08-16 18:47
Yea, even if they were armed...come and occupy my country and kill millions of my people, meanwhile setting up road blocks, raping our women, etc...

I would try to be armed at all times too...and every time I had an opportunity to kill a member of the occupying force, I would do so!!!
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-04-06 00:20
after watching the video, I'm thinking that perhaps thew shooting on the Iraqis was done from a fixed wing aircraft because the "helicopter" was circling the area. If it were a helicopter it could have hovered and fired. It wouldn't have been a problem when the "insurgents" were blocked by a wall when the aircraft was moving.

And the folks here in the US wonder why the folks over there hate us so much... muslims gathering together, gotta be terrorist, kill kill kill!

Judging by the quick time the M2s and Humvees showed up, wonder why they didn't send in the troops? guess the saying "kill them all and let God sort them out" applies
 
 
+4 # Guest 2010-04-06 00:21
The Warren Commission, by filthy lying about who was behind President Kennedy's public execution by the CIA and Mafia, did the same thing that the US Military is attempting to do now: LIE. If this incident doesn't arouse moral people everywhere in America, then she (America) is indeed lost. Lost her way.

President Obama must be told by Americans, in no uncertain terms that either he ends the Iraq war, leaves Iraq to itself, or he will, along with the Democratic majority in Congress, lose it all come November 2010, and Nov. 2012. The GOP, which started this horrible mess, will be brought back to power to do more of the same.

The war is Obama's now!!
 
 
+8 # Guest 2010-04-06 06:03
Debasement of the American people: The American people's approval of war, in particular, the Afghan War.
 
 
+10 # Guest 2010-04-06 07:12
This is the SHOCK AND AW tactic's the US uses. That is why the Iraq people do not want us in Iraq over there killing there children and civilians or like the US, we will never win this police action. Even Bush said that when he was in office this is an unwinable police action.
 
 
+8 # Guest 2010-04-06 08:48
Ok, say they are armed. How do you know they are "insurgents"? When do we as Americans shoot the wounded and those trying to help them? How is it that the American people are just now finding out about this? Let's get out of this stupid war that was started based on lies!!!!
 
 
+9 # Guest 2010-04-06 09:05
Ed, you want to believe and see what you want to believe and see. In supporting the murders of these people, you & other Americans like you, who support illegal wars of aggression for U.S. world empire and for control of foreign energy resources, are as guilty of the murder & the killing of well over 1500 thousand innocent Iraqi men, women, & children. You forget that we are in their country, a country that is well over 10000 miles away from the U.S., a country that was no threat to us & had absolutely nothing to do with 911. Today, on Democracy Now, a Julian Assange, the co-founder of Wikileaks, was interviewed & stated that your so-called small-arms fire from that particular area where they murdered all of these people was an outright lie by the military, that there was sounds of small arms fire without any positive ID from some area of the district around there, which could have been miles away from that area. Stop supporting lies and murder for world empire.
 
 
+10 # Guest 2010-04-06 09:52
Maybe we should do a better job of training our troops. Apparently, they can't tell the difference between a camera and an AK-47...and when did the DoD establish rules of engagement that instruct our troops to fire on unarmed persons attending wounded combatants.
 
 
+5 # Guest 2010-04-06 12:11
You reminded me, Jeff, that these veterans will be coming home to the U.S., carrying that attitude with them. Many will become police officers, highway patrolmen, even wildlife enforcement officers and will receive credit for being a veteran. Same thing happened after every war we've had - often with disastrous results.
 
 
+11 # Guest 2010-04-06 10:21
Dan DeMaria, there were actually 2 Apache helicopters involved in the shooting flying opposite each other. The very first time shots were fired, they were fired from the Apache helicopter that was filming the people on the street. You can actually hear the machine gun firing from the helicopter, and, by timing the shots & when the bullets finally hit the ground & the people, the helicopter had to have been at least a couple of thousand feet away. There was a distinct delay of approximately 1 to 2 secs before you actually saw the bullets make contact. I wonder if the people on the ground even knew that the helicopters were there since it could be possible that there might have been some soundproofing on the blades. The people on the ground seemed too relaxed which would not have been the case, at least for me, if I had heard helicopter blades nearby. I don't believe that they would have been that stupid to hang in the open under the circumstances.
 
 
+9 # Guest 2010-04-06 10:22
The US sheeple continue in their "see nothing, know nothing, do nothing" mode. As long as Americans can bar-b-que and stick a flag in their yards, what the hell should they care what happens in the Middle East? The dumb jackasses in this country are as much to blame for Bush/Cheney/Rum sfeld/Rice/Rove lies for going to a worthless, illegal, immoral, and criminal war as the war monger leaders of this murderous country. Patriotism, my arse! Think about this: the USA has destroyed the culture, infrastructure, and people of the Middle East. How proud some of you must be to be an American at this time! Remember...it's all about "spreading freedom and democracy", right? Keep up the fine work, SHEEPLE!!!
 
 
-6 # Guest 2010-04-06 17:36
Couldn't have said it any better. I always use the term "sheeple" as it applies all too well.

Quoting Stan Serafin:
The US sheeple continue in their "see nothing, know nothing, do nothing" mode. As long as Americans can bar-b-que and stick a flag in their yards, what the hell should they care what happens in the Middle East? The dumb jackasses in this country are as much to blame for Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rice/Rove lies for going to a worthless, illegal, immoral, and criminal war as the war monger leaders of this murderous country. Patriotism, my arse! Think about this: the USA has destroyed the culture, infrastructure, and people of the Middle East. How proud some of you must be to be an American at this time! Remember...it's all about "spreading freedom and democracy", right? Keep up the fine work, SHEEPLE!!!
 
 
+5 # Guest 2010-04-06 10:55
Your tax dollars at work in the hands of trigger happy "boys next door."
 
 
+7 # Guest 2010-04-06 11:00
I think this document is evidence of, essentially, the stupidity and cowardice of US military culture. I resent the callousness and arrogance of many of their comments regarding the operation. It all starts with how we raise our children.
 
 
+8 # Guest 2010-04-06 11:26
"Patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels!" I wrote a book on Vietnam called "Pride and Greed" still on Amazon. But I am firmly convinced that the public would rather not know!
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-04-06 13:15
The airmen involved who decided to kill these people should be executed. It was obvious to me they were no threat. This is premeditated mass murder.
 
 
+4 # Guest 2010-04-06 14:07
Jeff Poley, Julian Assange, the co-founder of Wikileaks, had indicated on Democracy Now that the original video of what went on was infinitely more clearer than what they submitted for public consumption. The original video was leaked to them and they had to use several filtering techniques to decrypt the film to make it viewable. The people manning the helicopters should have had no problems telling the difference between a camera and a weapon.
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-04-06 14:57
The US measures others fairly. They apply laws that change the world such as they did during the Nurenberg war crimes tribunals where criminals of war were executed within minutes of their sentences being handed down. I hope that the guys involved in this murder will rot in the stockade for life. What a shame, how un American.
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-04-06 15:19
To anyone that is interested in downloading videos like the Wikileaks video of the shooting, I would suggest that you visit the realplayer website indicated below:

http://www.real.com/realplayer/free-media-player

When installed, it will easily allow you to download any video that is downloadable. For example, once realplayer has been installed, if you were to play the Wikileaks video, if you move the cursor towards the upper-right corner of the video, you should see a small window open up which would state "Download Video." When you click on it, realplayer will begin downloading the video onto your computer at the following location: "Users\'your name'\videos\Re alPlayer Downloads" as a .flv file.

An excellent media player with great fuctionality is Media Player Classic. Download at the following address:

http://mpc-hc.sourceforge.net/

You can pause the video by simply clicking on the screen, and start it again by clicking the screen.
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-04-06 16:16
Listening to these ignorant, brutal, smug voices makes me furious, and ill. No wonder people in countries the US has brutally invaded, out of greed and a lust for domination, don't "like" the US. It's not, ultimately, the fault of these yahoos, but of the society that has created them and the fat cats in DC and other safe spots that send out the "shooters" and cannon fodder. It saddens me that those of us who deplore the foreign "policy" of the US make no impact on politicians, the military, or the other big businesses that batten on bloodshed.
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-04-06 16:21
Are we raising a generation of monsters? Is profit more important than life? Anyone who sees these videos will be appalled, or they are ignorant deniers. Will we ever become civilized? I don't think so. Weep for the children. Weep for the human race. We may be already lost.
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-04-06 18:04
@Ed,

That "RPG" is a camera!

And aren't rifles pretty ubiquitous in Iraq? Are the rules of engagement then "shoot on sight anyone carrying a rifle"?

@ Harold Mencher,

They heard and saw them; hence the photographer taking pictures (which the gunner idiotically mistook for aiming an RPG). They just didn't expect to be massacred for walking peacefully and taking pictures.

I imagine Apaches are a routine sight over the skies of Baghdad.

@Dan DeMaria,

Contrary to popular belief, helicopters cannot simply hover in place (they create a downdraft and thus lose lift); they can move a lot slower than fixed-wing aircraft, but they must keep moving.
 
 
-4 # Guest 2010-04-07 00:03
helicopters do hover, its why they are so good for search & rescue ops. when I was stationed in Ft Hood in the late 1980's both the Apache's and A-10's would use us (M-1 tanks) as "target practice". The Apache's would pop up from behind a tree line, engage and pop back down. At gunnery practice both the Cobra & Apaches would hover & engage targets. And here in the NYC area just about every morning I'm greeted to the traffic copters overhead. Regardless, the pilot and/or gunner in the copter over reacted. By the speed in which the Bradleys and humvees showed up, if the copter crew thought these people were a threat but weren't sure, have the ground troops go in for a look. Only would have took a few minutes, or call in the Iraqi police/army. The copters could have provided support in case things got hot.

So a group of men walking together means insurgents are going to attack so engage them with a 30mm gun. What about here in the US, folks going to political events with guns and rifles
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-04-14 01:55
Not to sound contrary, but: if the troops on the ground and in the air had a suspicion that the insurgents were armed with RPG's and rifles, air support was indeed the smarter move, militarily.

It is incredibly hard to hit a helicopter that is almost a mile away with a RPG. It is much easier to hit a Bradley vehicle or a group of infantryman.
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-04-06 18:08
The individual who went through these postings and negated a point from each of those postings which condemned the act shown in the film should have the courage of their own convictions and submit a posting themselves. Whoever did this was coward. If you feel that the wanton murder of innocent people, especially children, is perfectly fine in a country that did no harm to us and was no threat to us, then you would have made a good Nazi during Hitler's regime. If you have something to say, then speak out, but don't hide in the shadows and condemn the people who did have the courage of their own convictions to post something here. You even gave me a negative one when I was simply trying to point people to an easy way of downloading videos and viewing them, which had nothing whatsoever to do with the Wikileaks film.
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-04-06 19:17
It is no less disturbing when we know it happens all the time, and it has to be said that America's record of "Friendly Fire" is much worse than any other. It is a fact that in the first gulf war Britain lost more troops to American attacks than to the enemy.
 
 
+4 # Guest 2010-04-06 20:01
Im horrified... you should never fire without proper intelligence and PROOF! CONVINCING PROOF by your eyes!!! that every single individual with a weapon is a threat! They were children! people helping the wounded.. These people are monsters!!! Murders!! Savage Murders!.. The americans have the worst reputation for friendly fire EVER in the world! obsessed with killing.. (i dont speak for all but a vast 90% of american military).. its truly a Disgrace and embarrassment to there country. There as careless with weapons in there own streets never mind other countrys. Maybe they should stay at home cos frankly.. the world is sick of the americans careless stupidity! i mean.. they cant even control there own soldiers.. never mind care for other countrys they invade.
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-04-14 11:55
agreed. .They should have known 100% sure that they were "insurgents" or going to cause a thread physically to someone.

Otherwise No shooting or killing. If that sounds like it's too difficult and too risky THEN WE SHOULDN'T BE THERE!!

Just like Cops in the U.S. They are quick to arrest people and or possibly shoot because they are scared of getting killed. THAT'S YOUR JOB. You don't see me behind a bullet proof vest trying to arrest people.

If you are in the military you should know that your body isn't yours and you will probably die.

Don't kill people just because you think they might have been plotting something. You shouldn't be in the Military then. NO one should be in the military.

This isn't WAR. We haven't declared war since World War II. This is the government/cong ress/president abusing their powers and Occupy countries so we can steal their resources and destroy their culture!
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-04-06 20:14
America... what reputation have u carved out for ureselves.. Your politicians make out its logical and just, policing the world as you do. Ure intentions sound noble.. to stop terrorism u must commit abroad and i understand that. But the way u force youreself upon the world and do what you want how u please with literally what is obviously complete carelessness stupidity.. that tarnishes such a gloriously barley loved nation.. Keep going this way america.. and the whole world will have no respect..no remorse and not a dam care in the world about ure country or your people.. thanks to your politicians ure literally unwelcome in the middle east and hardly liked in europe. Its a dam dam shame.. Our heroes from ww2 ure rep is all tarnished. Its v sad...
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-04-06 20:32
I am sickened by the actions of the U.S Military, this is out and out murder. Those men did not have weapons or an RPG. The Iraqi were not a threat and did not attack anyone. This is just plain murder and as someone else commented they seemed to enjoy killing innocent people. I am sick at heart to think this is being done in our name. Bush and Cheney need to be held accountable for war crimes, the military for war crimes and Obama for the murder and cover-ups in Afghanistan.
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-04-06 20:34
While the event is regrettable, I feel the context is misleading when you watch the "Short Version" vs the "Full Version". We don't know the events of the day, what was going on, who the reporters were with? We are lead down a path with the help of opinionated editorial designed to strike a nerve within us.
It is shocking to us but we are not in the war fighting business so it should be. We get to examine the video after the fact, not very fair when you think about it.
I don't support the war but our leaders are forcing our military to fight it. The fact is it is easy for us to sit at home and second guess the decisions that were made but if we were in a war zone our conclusions would be much different.
War is brutal and as a democracy we should have never allowed our leaders to take us down this road.
 
 
+4 # Guest 2010-04-08 01:05
Don, I just don't know what to make of your comments. The "context" is clear: young troops in a helicopter, not under fire, looking for targets to shoot at and they happen to come across a group of men.
I am a veteran. I know all about the fog of war. I've had to kill in order to survive more times than I'd like to recall. The battle field is a place where fear reigns. But these guys were acting like children playing video games. Their attitude did not indicate any great stress. They had options to choose from other than to light them up.
Context my butt. This was murder and that's what putting young people in distant lands with big guns, buckets of testoserone and all kinds of Rambo toys to play with do all too often. Why should we be surprised, especially when the even larger context is that they should not have even been there in the first place.
I know the shame of fighting where we should not have been, but this is worse. They didn't have to kill, they chose to. That's murder.
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-04-14 11:58
We didn't have a choice... They didn't declare war on anyone.
We Still haven't declared war on any nation. Congress and the President used a loophole to continuously send out troops just shy of the period they are allowed to be out.

Whether we wanted this or not we wouldn't have been able to stop it. They are using their executive powers to do exactly what they want.

Apart from NOT voting for them next election that won't do anything to the NOW.
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-04-06 21:22
David Waller, I wouldn't call this friendly fire. Friendly fire, I thought, was an attack on friendlies when the attackers didn't know that they were friendlies. Based on the co-founder of Wikileaks, Julian Assange, those cameras on the Apache helicopters had an extremely high resolution, and even though the film that Wikileaks released for public consumption was not completely crystal clear, the view that the gunners had in the two Apache helicopters were crystal clear, and they should have had no problem telling the difference between a camera and an RPG. The Apache helicopters were simply out gunning for blood as was obvious by their attitude the whole time they were stalking the people on the ground. They either knew that the people on the ground were no threat, or they simply didn't care either way. They wanted to do what they wanted to do, and they did it. You can call it what you will, "Might make right," or "The God Complex." Either way they should tried for murder.
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-04-06 21:34
DavidNYC, if you watched the film, there was a definite time delay between when you heard the initial machine gun fire go off and when the shots actually hit the ground. At 800 to 1000 feet per second, the helicopters were no where close to the people on the ground. The cameras sights on the machine guns on the helicopters, from what I heard stated, had tremendous zoom lens capability. And, if you are right, and they actually saw the helicopters (in the distance) hovering and moving around them as the helicopters appeared to be doing, and always with the same side of the helicopter facing them, probably with an open door and a gun sticking out, and knowing how dangerous things were in Iraq at the time, I would have immediately taken cover and I would have strongly suggested that everyone else do the same. People may still have died in the illegal attack, but some may have survived.
 
 
-4 # Guest 2010-04-07 07:05
One of the things that shocks me the most is how easy it is for an apache crew to open fire.
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-12-03 03:58
If you paid attention the pilot had to get authorization from 2 different commanders. There are alot of rules these pilots have to meet before they can open fire. And contrary to popular beleif on these boards the pilots CANNOT fire indiscriminentl y.
 
 
-3 # Guest 2010-04-07 10:32
Why is it that when insurgents blow up American troops, or better yet their own people, there is never an outpour of criticism like I see here? Those of you against this type of action would quickly change your minds if terrorists were plotting to blow themselves up in your community. If you think it is so bad here, why don't you live in those areas plagued by terrorists and see how long it would take before you realize how truly good you have it here in the United States.
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-04-08 01:17
What a stupid, stupid comment. Maybe they want to blow us up in Iraq because we are murdering their people. Perhaps it's because there were no terrorists there until AFTER we illegaly invaded Iraq. I am a US veteran but I can tell you that if I were an Iraqi citizen, I would, from the core of my being dedicate myself to killing Americans. If Iraq did to me what we are doing to Iraq, I'd feel the same way about Iraqis. What? Do you approve of killing innocent people or something?

Quoting AMiller:
Why is it that when insurgents blow up American troops, or better yet their own people, there is never an outpour of criticism like I see here? Those of you against this type of action would quickly change your minds if terrorists were plotting to blow themselves up in your community. If you think it is so bad here, why don't you live in those areas plagued by terrorists and see how long it would take before you realize how truly good you have it here in the United States.
 
 
-2 # Guest 2010-04-14 12:03
Congress and it's Military are the largest concentration of terrorists in the world.

It's sad that you haven't seen this.

We instilled terror on an entire country (that may or may not have had people who might have considered doing something to us) and completely shut down their way of life.

That's TERRORISM.

The people in these countries have every right to come in and start picking us off out of helicopters one by one just like we did.

If you apply the same rule we used then they could come here and kill our civilians.

Our Rule: Someone that is Originated from a country tries to hurt us. So we go after everyone in the country whether they had anything to do with this person or not.

IT would be fair for them to do the same thing.

We are just occupying their country and creating an empire. The Military and weapons manufacturers make a ton of money during war time and so does Cheney's and Bush's Companies.
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-04-07 20:51
This type of war is sad we dont know who the enemy is or what they are wearing they dress in civilian clothing.

But you know they were holding weapons unknown what that guy was filiming but he wasnt running. In America we you dont see normal people walking around with an AK 47 and another with an RPG.

About the people in the van, this War has unmarked people Americans dont know who the enemy is.

BTW my spelling stinks I know.
 
 
-2 # Guest 2010-04-08 01:35
Quoting Brent:
But you know they were holding weapons unknown what that guy was filiming but he wasnt running. In America we you dont see normal people walking around with an AK 47 and another with an RPG.

About the people in the van, this War has unmarked people Americans dont know who the enemy is.


Brent, civilians carrying weapons should not surprise anyone under conditions such as they have. You would most definately see normal people walking around with AK-47s where I live IF where I lived was like Iraq! That RPG turned out to be a camera by the way.

As for their "unmarked people" and it being hard to know who the enemy is...isn't it a little ironic to you that Iraq wasn't our enemy in the first place since Al Qaida didn't arrive until AFTER we started this war based on lies? For this, and other reasons, aren't WE the enemies in Iraq? Maybe we shouldn't be there at all. Ya' think?
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-12-03 04:02
Your wrong saying that one of the guys wasn't carrying a RPG... one of them obviously was. However what he pointed around the corner of that building was a camera. The pilot thought he saw a RPG, he was only trying to protect other soldiers lifes, it was a tragic mistake on his part.

I will agree that Al Qaida wasn't there when we first went there, but now they are. And yes I do think we never should have gone to Iraq...Afganist an is another story for me though.
 
 
-1 # james celliers 2011-05-31 10:31
how was it a tragic mistake on his part? you obviusly heard how much he was enjoying it. people like you are just as much to blame as these murderers!
 
 
-3 # Guest 2010-04-08 19:11
Brent, you say that it's too bad that we can't tell who the real enemy is in Iraq. The answer is very simple. Just look in the mirror, and I do not just mean just you, I mean the U.S. is the real enemy in Iraq. We have no legal right to remain in the country. We have already violated SOFA. The Iraqi people were to have the right to vote on SOFA in July of 2009. Obama took that away from them. If they had voted it down, the U.S. would have had to legally vacate Iraq, lock, stock, and barrel, this year instead of 2011.

[quote name="Brent"]Th is type of war is sad we dont know who the enemy is or what they are wearing they dress in civilian clothing.

But you know they were holding weapons unknown what that guy was filiming but he wasnt running. In America we you dont see normal people walking around with an AK 47 and another with an RPG.

About the people in the van, this War has unmarked people Americans dont know who the enemy is. [quote name="Brent"]
 
 
-1 # Guest 2010-04-08 19:01
AMiller, we are the interlopers in Iraq. We are the terrorists. It has been proven beyond the shadow of any doubt that Bush lied us into the invasion of Iraq, and I would not call it a war between two nations. It was never a war between two nations. Invading Iraq was like the U.S. using a sledgehammer to kill a flea. The U.S. illegally invaded Iraq for control of their energy resources and to establish permanent American military bases in the country, and Bush succeeded as he has succeeded in everything else he did, and Obama is maintaining the status quo. By all rights, the U.S. should leave Iraq tomorrow, every foreign soldier and every contractor, and the privatization of Iraq's oil must be annulled.

We are the murderers and the terrorists in Iraq, and if I were Iraqi, I'd be fighting back as well against the American occupation as I would be doing here in the U.S. if a foreign power invaded the United States.
 
 
+5 # Guest 2010-04-09 00:52
This is a war, do you expect our military to not pursue their enemy? Ours is a volunteer military comprised of young men and women who have placed their principles and beliefs ahead of their own personal safety and well being. It is unfortunate that politicians have put us there. War is a very hellish endeavor, people die, innocents die, it is not pretty, in fact it sucks, there is a real loss of a sense of what is right and wrong. Look at the history of war you will not find a war that was fought with such deference to the civilian populations London, Dresden, and Tokyo during WWII were indiscrimintly bombed killing civilians, We burned Japanese cities to the ground before we dropped the A bombs. If you want the US out of these wars then get involved and work to build the political will to get us out, do something more productive than just talking crap about those who are laying down their lives because they believe in something larger than themselves. What have you given to anything?
 
 
+4 # Guest 2010-04-14 12:09
people aren't laying down their lives.. they are trading their body for salary and pension.

The military pays money for you to go out and kill. You in turn give your body to them in exchange for salary.

It's a job. There is no draft or mandatory service. These people are choosing to go to war and support the falsehoods of our government.

I have no respect for those going to serve in the military during this time. They know what they are doing and what they are getting into.. If they don't then they are ignorant and/or not of sound mind and not able to serve.

There are no "props" for serving in the military. It's a job. I don't get "props" for working in Retail. I make way less than a military person, but I don't have to give up my body and mind to the state!
 
 
-3 # Guest 2010-04-09 10:36
Geff, you remind me of those military recruitment ads I see on TV paid for with my tax dollars, ads that do nothing but express clich├ęs like, "I want to make a difference," for whatever that means, trying to persuade parents to allow their children to join the military. Are you aware that Germans during WWII under Hitler were good patriotic citizens, just like you? They were good Nazis. Are you also aware of the fact that a wounded man, an innocent civilian, crawled out from that van that was shot up by our brave helicopter gunners from a distance & was subsequently & knowingly, on purpose, run over by a Bradley Tank & cut in half while still alive? But, what does that matter to you? Being an Iraqi, and not being an American, he had very little human value and, therefore, was of no great loss. Isn't that right, Geff? God, where do people like you come from? The only good Iraqi is a dead Iraqi! Is that what you believe? Is that what you believe about Afghans as well?
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-12-03 04:05
Your wrong, if you watched the video you will see that a child was never run over, they were both pulled out of the van. The man that was run over was done so on accident, the body was on a pile of rock and rubbish at night and the driver could not see the body.
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-04-11 22:12
The "Collateral Murder" is a B.S. statement. These "Journalist" are hanging with Terrorists, you can clearly see one has a RPG launcher, while others have AK's. Get your shit straight, before you condemn someone.
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-04-12 22:39
The audio is inaccurately captioned. In the beginning that is an "Aye-Firm" not "Stay-firm". As in "I see them". Other mistakes as well. You do realize there were people on the ground calling in the fire. Helicopters don't just act on their own in a situation like that. People on the ground call in fire in response to hostile actions. Also, in a situation like that, the identified combatants are engaged until no longer any sort of threat. Movement can be interpreted as threat.
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-04-12 23:53
When you hear two words...Middle East, do you think of anything good? An honest question isn't it? Years and years of wars, assassinations of leaders in peace processes, coups, police actions, Palestinians being lead to a shore land without an exit...great place to bring up a family isn't it? They don't want us there...period. So why bother being there, they'll all eventually kill each other anyway and then we can go in and get the last guy standing or better yet make a parking lot of the whole place and put another Disney there...anythin g beats the hell out of our soldiers being killed for people who don't want help and know nothing but war. Not too mention not many US soldiers strap on belts loaded with explosives and take 200 innocent civilians with them , or hide in schools or mosques to avoid drawing fire. They have no balls, so I say kill em all! Just my opinion, sorry if I'm not a bleeding heart like the rest of you who won't really say what you mean.
 
 
-1 # Guest 2010-04-14 12:19
It doesn't mean it's our place to go their and take over their country and kill innocent people.

So you are saying that if people can't stand us because we are cowards and we are capitalist and we all drive gas guzzlers and are Arrogant pricks that they can come here and take over our country???
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-04-13 09:52
bigdaddy, you better get your stuff straight. At the time this event happened, there was civil war waging among the various religious sects which had very little to do with the U.S. occupation. The 2 people in the street were armed in order to protect their neighborhood, not from U.S. forces, but from other religious sects that were killing their people everyday. The 2 journalists were there to get their story, & they were clearly carrying cameras on them, not weapons. If the people were terrorists, they would not have been walking in the street during the daytime so nonchalantly, in such a relaxed manner. The helicopter crew were chomping at the bit to kill Iraqis, any Iraqi. They are murderers. For anyone to run over a live unarmed (but wounded) individual lying in the street & cut him in half while still alive goes beyond barbaric. By the way, I don't consider people who are waging a war against an illegal occupation of their country terrorists.
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-12-03 04:12
These pilots were not "chomping at that bits" to kill "any Iraqi"...they were only trying to protect other US soldiers.

If they were truly chomping at the bit as you say then they would have shot the injured man that was crawling away, or shot all of those men before they thought they saw a hostile action from the "bad guys" toward the US soldiers.. However they didn't because they were following their Rules of Engagement.

Its easy to be a arm chair judge when you havnt come close to being in the shoes these guys fill.

And FYI, I did a couple of tours in Iraq. The Iraq people are not waging a war against us, matter of fact they are helping us find the bad guys and hunt them down. They are sick of the killing themselves.
 
 
+2 # fernando 2010-12-15 02:02
All the people in the world can give their thanks to the Federal Reserve for this insane act upon mankind. The Reserve does not care about our mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters and children. War generates ridiculous profit for them because war requires the US goverment to borrow more money. We are poisoned by our media. The media is filtered by few men with ties to the Reserve. Money is what is important to these few wealthy men. They dont care about the american people. I served in afghanistan and it shatters my heart to see those innocent babies being carried out from being wounded around all those bodies because of out lack of good intel. I call them babies because they will always be babies to the parents we took from them. I know war can mess with the mind but you cant let this man made evil take control over your judgement as a human being from doing whats right. These countries did ok without the USA for thousands of years. Im certain They will be just fine without us still.The Fed wants to usurp these little countries and have them in their debt.
I salute the flag for all that died. I do not salute for why they died.
 
 
-1 # pezit 2011-04-07 23:48
This video disgusts me to no end. These soldiers deserve absolutely no respect at all, they fire on people that MIGHT carry a weapon, and on a van that MIGHT contain terrorists. Turns out there were two children in there, and what did the soldier who fired say? "They shouldn't bring their children to a warzone" - YOU TURNED THEIR HOME INTO A WARZONE.

There are exceptions, good people in the army although i will never understand why they chose to join it, i'd rather die before picking up arms and killing for leaders that are nothing like me and have completely different values. If you want to truly help people there are ways that does not involve weapon and killing.
 
 
-2 # anonymous151 2012-11-29 13:25
We may have turned their home into a war-zone, but you are forgetting WHO DREW FIRST BLOOD. Are you suggesting that we should not have taken action against a group of people that killed over 3,000 INNOCENT AMERICAN CIVILIANS without any prior implication of conflict from the U.S.? And to say that you'd rather die than to protect the citizens like yourself makes me sick. Yeah you might say "We don't need protection, and they aren't doing a good job anyways, they're just murdering." Well then congratulations , you've just become another victim to the liberal media who only shows the negative consequences of war and blows them out of proportion, causing everyone to miss the big picture.

With that being said, I agree that this situation shouldn't have ended the way it did, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to lose an ounce of patriotism for it and turn my back on and devalue our country's heroes. This is war, whether you like it or not, and as I recall, everyone was for war directly after 9/11 until inevitable casualties occurred on both sides. Now patriotism turns into "look what you've done."

Sadly you are probably right that you will never understand why people choose to join the military, because you obviously have little knowledge of the other perspective. Thank God that you don't have to experience fighting for what you believe in, because others are doing it for you, whether you know it or not.
 

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