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Mak writes: "President Obama had campaigned against many of the major programs of President Bush's war on terror, but often his national security policy has mirrored that of his predecessor."

Donald Rumsfeld appears with Lewis 'Scooter' Libby at the Hudson Institute, 03/29/11. (photo: Alex Wong/Getty Images)
Donald Rumsfeld appears with Lewis 'Scooter' Libby at the Hudson Institute, 03/29/11. (photo: Alex Wong/Getty Images)



Rumsfeld: Obama Has Accepted Bush Doctrine

By Tim Mak, Politico

07 September 11

 

ormer Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld says President Barack Obama has come to accept much of the Bush Doctrine out of necessity, despite what he campaigned on in 2008.

Rumsfeld said that Obama needed to keep the Guantanamo Bay detention center open because of national security concerns, and it was the best solution among a host of bad options.

"They ended up keeping Guantanamo open not because they like it - we didn't like it either - but they couldn't think of a better solution," Rumsfeld told Fox News' Greta Van Susteren on Tuesday.

Rumsfeld then listed a handful of other Bush administration policies that have continued into the Obama administration, something that he sees as vindication of the policies.

"The same is true with the Patriot Act, and military commissions, and indefinite detention. All of those things were criticized but today are still in place two-and-a-half years later because they are the best alternative to the other choices - and they are in fact successful in keeping America safer," he says.

President Obama had campaigned against many of the major programs of President Bush's war on terror, but often his national security policy has mirrored that of his predecessor.

"I think what they did was they campaigned again the Bush approach - and once they got in they realized the 90-nation coalition that was put together was successful in sharing intelligence, and tracking bank accounts, and cooperating against terrorism," said Rumsfeld.

The former defense secretary also spoke about how Sept. 11 changed peoples lives and how the government works.

"It was the largest attack on America inside of our country," Rumsfeld said. "It led to a new set of steps to try to protect the American people - a different way of looking at it - instead of thinking we can defend what you can't defend against a terrorist, every place at every moment of the day or night against every conceivable technique. But we had to go after them and put pressure on them - thus far it has been quite successful."

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+58 # nice2blucky 2011-09-07 14:00
This is not a case of policy driven by political realities.

Obama is a craven politician driven by election realities; and he was not about to take a chance of loosening security and risking the accusation of being weak.

No matter how small an incident, or whether it be a treasonous "fund-raiser" or staged event to be politically used against him, Obama was not about to take that chance.

Let's not forget, outside the attempted World Trade Center bombing, there were no successful attacks prior to, or after, 9-11.

Not through any great insight, but out of typical fear and political survival instincts -- and actual allegiance to neo-con principles – Obama has re-defined almost every aspect of Democratic values. There is not a leadership bone in his body.

If Bush had not been vacationing for practically one-quarter of his pre-9-11 Presidency, ignoring Richard Clarke, head of the counter-terrori sm division, all-the-while, we'd not have had 9-11 either.

Either Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, or both, said, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

The path we're on is expensive and wrong, and is eating us up from the inside, eroding our cherished values. Rumsfeld is not wrong about Obama, but like hell if he is right.
 
 
+7 # RLF 2011-09-08 07:12
BS...I was standing outside of the world trade center when another bomb went off...can't tell me that there was a previous attack. That being said...the wars have killed way more people and made it way more probable that there will be more attacks.
 
 
+73 # Ryan Langemeyer 2011-09-07 15:09
Osama bin Laden won. When we are willing to accept that one simple fact, then we can begin to repair the amazing damage we inflicted upon ourselves in the illusion that the War on Terror was about stopping terrorists, when it was actually all about subjugating the Amerikan masses. And, boy, are we subjugated!
 
 
+13 # Jorge 2011-09-07 22:15
Yes, Rumsfeld (representing the MIC) helped Osama bin Laden win. The author, Tim Mak, is too easy on Rumnuts. Mr. Mak should give some background about the lies to go to war, the hyped fake WMDs, the torture, the senseless killings, the wasted money, soldiers with PTSD, etc. Rumnuts could have given this interview from his prison cell (revive the Nuremberg Trials).
 
 
+11 # RLF 2011-09-08 07:13
And perhaps, the fact that we have accomplished nothing but putting new corruption in place of the old.
 
 
+56 # mjc 2011-09-07 15:54
We did not need Rumsfeld to tell us what we already know about Obama. There have been no credible explanations as to why but I don't think our security really was/is in such bad shape that those "security concerns" should have compromised our civil rights or personal privacy the way it turns out that they have indeed been. God forbid, do any of us really believe that Donald Rumsfeld is a non-biased analyst of any Democrat but especially the President? Most of us are already completely depressed about the man in the White House we thought would usher in a new age.
 
 
+6 # OpenMind 2011-09-10 00:58
Quoting mjc:
Most of us are already completely depressed about the man in the White House we thought would usher in a new age.

Agreed, mjc. Just exactly what was that "change we could believe in?" and when is it supposed to start?
 
 
+57 # Hot Doggie 2011-09-07 15:57
Rumy said regarding the Patriot Act, "they are the best alternative to the other choices ". Best for who? Not the American people. Best for TPTB. Best for the subjugation of we the people. We need the American people to take charge of our gov't: teh politicains have abandoned their duty.
 
 
+30 # arm 2011-09-07 16:17
Vindication for Rumsfeld? Hardly. What Obama's actions demonstrate is that he's every bit as bad a president as Bush.

What I also find curious is that if Rumsfeld feels his actions are in need of vindication it demonstrates that he shouldn't have done them at all.
 
 
+10 # RLF 2011-09-08 07:15
Obama is also a representation that We The People have completely lost control of our 'Democracy'!
 
 
+26 # universlman 2011-09-07 16:19
when the chinese say "keep your friends close and your enemies closer" this is not what they meant - the bush doctrine is the worst idea these so-called leaders came up with - it is temporary and insecure at best - look at the results on our world standing and our economy - rumsfeld is only looking for cover, and he should be
 
 
+23 # Glen 2011-09-07 16:34
Obama is part of the plan/agenda. It makes no sense to analyze his persona or his leadership style. He is not in charge any more than George W. was.

Rumsfeld is stating the obvious in his own inimitable way, re-directing the truth into the spiral of neo-con and neo-liberal, and PNAC agenda. No reason to pay him attention except that he brings to daylight, through a roundabout method, an odd truth in U.S. governing.
 
 
+3 # mblockhart 2011-09-07 16:41
Someone is forgetting here that Obama ordered Guantanamo closed but Congress refused to fund the transfer of prisoners to US soil. Also he tried to have civilian trials in NY courts but local politico opposition stopped that. Also he ordered an end to torture on his first day in office and there's been no indication that his orders were not followed. Also the manner in which he intervened in Libya was entirely different from Bush's military invasions based on lies. Also, he focused strategically on elimination of al queda, successfully. Also, he switched attention to Afghanistan from Iraq and is drawing down troops in both. No, he has not continued Bush's war on terror.
 
 
+3 # cadan 2011-09-07 18:15
There's no doubt that Obama is far smarter than Bush. He's the smartest president since at least Nixon.

However, regarding torture, what about Bradley Manning?

And yes, looks like he won in the effort to recolonize Libya, but at a cost of at least 50,000 Libyans. But he was smart that none of our soldiers got killed.

And, we will see if Afghanistan is still the graveyard of empires.

It was for the Soviets, and i think we have a great deal in common with the Soviets of the 1980s. We're not Stalinist (yet), but the 1980s Sovients weren't either.

So Obama has a mighty intellect, but it would be so much better if he used it for the long term good of America. If he could say "I will be a one-term President, but in that one term I will withdraw from Afghanistan, Iraq, etc." If he did, it would be like a reverse crossing of the Rubicon (that Bush crossed the wrong way): once we get out of that area we will never return. Won't have the dough to, for one thing.
 
 
+17 # Activista 2011-09-07 22:58
" Obama is far smarter than Bush" smart - talk - but is he KNOWLEDGEABLE/w ise? Is he ethical? Can he be bought? Obama is populist puppet of militarism.
I think Carter is knowledgeable - and wise.
Why he does NOT play role in the Clinton/Obama administration? Cause he is NOT bought by AIPAC>
 
 
+10 # mudbike 2011-09-09 08:51
If we had re-electedCarte r, his energy policies wou0ld have avoided all the energy problems we now have as a result of electing people who give away everything we have to oil companies, big banks, and defense contractors. Reagan's "successes" were due to unprecedented levels of government borrowing and tax breaks for the rich, leading to the debt we have now.
 
 
+26 # jon 2011-09-07 16:49
McCain was not defeated by Obama, he was defeated by Bush - so desparate for change we the American people were.

The Dems could almost have run Alfred E. Nueman (remember Mad Magazine?), and we would have taken our chances with him to avoid another 4 years of a Bush style administration.

Now that I think about it, we would have been better off with Alfred. At least HE might have been smart enough to understand that.
 
 
+12 # Glen 2011-09-07 18:10
McCain was never meant to be president, jon. It was never part of the program. Obama was the man.

Voters are manipulated in more ways than one.
 
 
+28 # Tee 2011-09-07 17:08
this fake secretary of state just give the justification for the false flagg staged attack on 9/11/2001. So the Bush administration could go to war, take away our freedom with the patriot act, keep FISA, and spy of Americans.

Forget Obama. He takes his orders from the corporate elites and the military industrial complex.
 
 
+22 # in deo veritas 2011-09-07 17:12
Anyone validating the methods used by the Bushies, including Obama, is a disgrace to everything America was supposed to stand for. The Repukes putting on their little dog and pony show tonight are n0 better but far worse.Their even having the arrogance to run for or hold office shows the world that we have betrayed every aspect of democracy or human decency that we were once looked upon to behold.
 
 
+21 # futhark 2011-09-07 17:14
Donald Rumsfeld is the acknowledged servant of the security-state mentality, thinking that Americans will be safer if they surrender their inherent ("God-given"?) liberties to government agents acting at the behest of a corrupt military-indust rial corporate complex. It is no comfort to me that the guy who was elected on the basis of projecting himself as the president who would lead the nation away from reliance on military violence and citizen surveillance is now being credited with following the neo-con path that we had all hoped he would change.

Maybe Rumsfeld is hoping for a third spin in the Secretary of Defense chair in the second Obama administration. .. The idea makes me cringe.
 
 
+11 # coffeewriter 2011-09-07 18:30
Of course it was working - working to create an empire, disregarding the governments of other countries in order to exploit their natural resources, making more enemies (and thus terrorists). Nobody is doubting that. It's when America decides to take a less aggressive stance on global economic control that these policies will become obsolete. If you want to steal other countries' oil, of course you're going to need some radical defence policy!
 
 
+15 # reiverpacific 2011-09-07 18:48
Remember this at a recent Rumsfeld book signing?
"Mrs. Joppa-Hagemann introduced herself by handing a copy of her husband’s funeral program to Rumsfeld, and telling him that her husband had joined the military because he believed the lies told by Rumsfeld during his tenure with the Bush Administration" (but had committed suicide rather than be sent back for another "Tour of duty" -my insertion).
Perhaps she should confront Obama in the same way -and remind him of the REALITY of the Cheney - Rumsfeld era lie mongering. Nobody else seems to have the nuts to get in his face.
 
 
+13 # tomo 2011-09-07 23:28
reiverpacific: people should attend Obama's every effort to fool us again--shouting things like "No, you can't" and "Where'd your LAST jobs program go?" Every time Obama unpacks a moldy old 2008 slogan and tries to run with it again, people should start jeering. Maybe they should shout: "Ho, Ho! (pause) HO! HO! Ho!" whenever he comes up with a particularly worn-out lie.
There is no way we should put this man back in the White House; it would be a crime against nature even to nominate him again.
 
 
+4 # Billy Bob 2011-09-08 16:44
I agree. Does anyone have a realistic plan to defeat him with someone better?
 
 
+5 # josephhill 2011-09-09 01:08
Referring to Obama's treachery: Quoting Billy Bob:
I agree. Does anyone have a realistic plan to defeat him with someone better?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The deck is stacked against alternatives to the Dem/Rep duopoly. The major parties have colluded in making 3rd-party movements VERY difficult. Those "two" parties have written all the electoral rules in order to maintain their "cosa nostra" hold on American politics.

The Dems have perfected their "Lesser Evil-ism" Strategy by scaring the bejeeezus out of voters who would MUCH prefer a genuine progressive [ a la Kucinich, Sanders, Feingold, Kaptur.... ] in the White House.

If progressives can't muster the courage to vote for a 3rd-party candidate (for fear of a Republican victory), we deserve the make-believe "democracy" we are limited to.

"City on a Hill", my a**!!
 
 
+1 # Billy Bob 2011-09-09 16:04
Polls are conducted prior to elections. It's well known how 3rd party candidates fare.

We need a national multi-party primary with an automatic runnoff between the top two vote getters. That's the only system that promotes 3rd parties. It works in France.

We won't get it until we ELECT someone willing to make it a law.
 
 
+8 # Utopia Bold 2011-09-07 18:56
When are people going to realize that the 911 attack was an inside job - another Reishtag to set up the facist states of America?
 
 
+14 # Billy Bob 2011-09-07 19:58
It's pretty bad when freakin' RUMSFELD can point out that Obama's campaign words didn't match his actions once in office...

AND BE RIGHT!

I REALLY REALLY want to know what's going on in Obama's head.

I DO have a theory. It goes like this: He made a bet with one of the Kock brothers, or some other rich repug, that he could win the Presidency, and even get RE-elected, while doing less than any other president in U.S. history to further the agenda of the people who voted for him.

I expect him to meet up with Ripley's Believe It or Not after he leaves office.

I think "DUPLICITOUS" is the vocabulary word of the day.
 
 
+8 # Kootenay Coyote 2011-09-07 22:41
Why is anyone listening to this self-serving, hypocritical monster?
 
 
+11 # Activista 2011-09-07 22:50
"to protect the American people"
how many times I heard this phrase before - it seems that more TOTALITARIAN system is - the more it "protects people".
Now we are starting new wars - kill thousands to "protect PEOPLE" of Libya, Syria etc.
911 was first time New York was bombed - and the event was used by MILITARISM to bomb others - scare Americans with Patriot Act - legitimize terrorism as conflict resolution - SICK.
 
 
+4 # futhark 2011-09-10 07:34
Federal officers take an oath to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic", NOT to "protect the American people". If the Constitution is respected and used as a guide for governance, the people will be "protected". Any other kind of "protection" is a sham and a racket.

Even Barack Obama has, to his profound discredit, has stated that he took an oath to protect the American people. If he did so, it must have been in a private ceremony. I want him to execute the office of the president as defined in the Constitution, nothing more and nothing less.
 
 
+9 # tomo 2011-09-07 23:13
Rumsfeld is seldom right about anything; but he is dead right here (in fact I've been saying the same myself for many months now): Obama is the extension of Cheney. If you liked Cheney, you should love Obama. He has the same fundamental positions Cheney had; he has the same reliable lack of morals we've come to expect from Cheney, but minus the alienating sneer and transparently evil presence. Obama is the new and improved Cheney. He makes the poison go down smoother. Trust me, the new man yields nothing to Cheney in the evil department--the re are very few God-awful things that Cheney has done that Obama has not appropriated as his own. So, fellow Americans, let me assure you: Obama is the New and Improved Face of Evil. If you want a fourth term for the Bush/Cheney administration, re-elect Barack Obama. He delivers. Why settle for second-best--Pa lin or Bachmann--when the tried and proven Real Thing is right there begging for our vote? Evil is "in"--it's the REALLY COOL THING!
 
 
+7 # Grandma H 2011-09-08 00:03
Jon, McCain was defeated by Sarah Palin as his running mate. People could see right through her.
 
 
+8 # John Mortl 2011-09-08 04:05
So, both administrations kept the Guantanamo concentration camps open not because they liked it-but because they couldn't think of a better solution. Well the Nazi's couldn't think of a better solution to their concentration camps either but we hung them anyway.
 
 
+6 # Billy Bob 2011-09-08 07:20
So, who's going to be the President in Jan. 2013?

If all those goofy predictions of the end of the world weren't about Dec. 21, 2012, but were about Jan. 21. 2013, I'd tend to believe them right now.

I heard that any society is only 3 missed meals from a revolution. I wonder what would happen to ours without "reality" tv, and infomercials.

I think Obama is a predator drone.
 
 
+5 # Activista 2011-09-08 09:46
We could have military controlled state - not by name only.
 
 
+3 # Billy Bob 2011-09-08 16:42
If we continue down the present path, it's only a matter of time.
 
 
0 # KittatinyHawk 2011-09-08 11:50
We always warned Public when Voting of the Repubs in Democratic Clothing....we have been scammed the opposite.
Need new candidate, no other solution. Scary when Santorum sounds good, he was a slime here
 
 
+3 # lark3650 2011-09-09 23:11
How appropriate...R umsfeld sitting next to Scooter Libby...add Cheney and Bush and you'd have the Mt. Rushmore Faces of deceit.
 

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