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Baldwin writes: "Americans, in terms of their enthusiasm for defending their beloved democratic principles in the face of an ever more muscular assault on those principles by the state in the name of national security, are exhausted."

Americans wave flags at Barack Obama's second inauguration as president. (photo: Getty Images)
Americans wave flags at Barack Obama's second inauguration as president. (photo: Getty Images)


Alec Baldwin: Americans Have Been Lied To

By Alec Baldwin, New Statesman

02 November 13

 

Edward Snowden saw things he thought we, as Americans, should know. He valued the truth and thought you could handle it, says Alec Baldwin.

bviously, we've been here before. The United States has been here before. The friction between democracy (or democracy as we like to think of it) and capitalism has often created agonising tensions and dramatic upheavals for America. Those spasms left us at least as demoralised as many Americans feel in the wake of the Edward Snowden-NSA revelations. The reality that the government is spying on Americans on a wholesale level, seemingly indiscriminately, doesn't really come as a surprise to many, given the assumed imperatives of the post- 9/11 security state. People seem more stricken by the fact that Barack Obama, who once vowed to close Guantanamo, has adopted CIA-NSA policies regarding domestic spying, as well as by government attempts to silence, even hunt down, the press.

Americans, in terms of their enthusiasm for defending their beloved democratic principles in the face of an ever more muscular assault on those principles by the state in the name of national security, are exhausted. If you are a "boomer", like me, and have lived through the past five decades with any degree of political efficacy, you can draw a line from JFK's assassination to the subsequent escalation of the Vietnam war, on to 1968 with the murders of Martin Luther King and Robert Kennedy, the Chicago Democratic Convention and Nixon's resurrection; from there, to Kent State, the Pentagon Papers, Nixon's re-election, Watergate, Nixon's resignation, Ford's pardon, Carter's one term and out, the curious Iran hostage situation, Reagan (who brings back a degree of the charm and affability that died in Dallas), Iran Contra, Oliver North, Bush the First (as in first CIA director to become president), Iraq the First, Clinton kills welfare, Gingrich shuts down the Congress, Clinton's impeachment, the 2000 election, Bush v Gore, Bush the Second, 9/11, Iraq the Second, "Mission Accomplished", the Swift Boaters, Afghanistan, Gitmo, Assange, Manning, Snowden.

I have left out a good deal. There is, of course, a lot that's positive running through the American narrative during this time, but I think more bad than good. You look at all of this laid end to end and you'd think the US might have had a nervous breakdown. I believe it actually did.

Americans are pretty basic. Generally speaking, they are a "suit up and show up" type of crowd. In spite of images of rampant obesity running throughout the country, gun laws that border on madness and our debt ceiling made of Swiss cheese, more Americans wake up every day to participate in an experience defined by work, sacrifice and moderate self-denial. They are workaholics who exercise, eat fairly well, drink in moderation and refrain from drugs and extramarital affairs while, perhaps, fantasising about either or both. They are devoted to family, friends, churches and social organisations. They are generous with their money as well as time. When disaster strikes, America is a good place to be.

But one thing that Americans fail at, miserably, is taking their government to task when that government has lied to them, defrauded them, covered up its crimes and otherwise blocked them from knowing essential truths. In political terms, Americans have a strong devotion to afflicting the afflicted and comforting the comfortable. They have a hard time contemplating any meaningful overhaul of the rules of their political system, preferring to say "Please, sir, may I have another" in the face of abuses of power. Americans, despite all of their claims to an "exceptionalism" among the nations of the world, have been lied to for so long about so many relevant topics, they have lost sight of what the truth is.

It seems more difficult, at least to me, to effectively assess historical events that came before my lifetime with the same perspective as those I lived through. Pearl Harbor, Nazi appeasement, Hiroshima and Nagasaki or the Pumpkin Papers feel slightly more remote, more like history, than what's happened since 1958, the year that I was born. And two great and urgent factors that emerged during my lifetime, I believe, have kept us in a type of karmic stall and prevented the US from growing into what it might have been. One is the Vietnam war and the other is the assassination of President Kennedy.

Kennedy died 50 years ago. Since then, Americans have honoured his legacy, or their somewhat beatified version of it, in every conceivable way. Countless schools, highways, bridges and even airports have been renamed in his honour. Kennedy is not on Mount Rushmore, but in the hearts and minds of many of my generation he exists on his own equally exalted plateau. Yet while a mere photo of Kennedy can still overwhelm one with a sense of loss, while innumerable books have been written and countless words have flowed that till the soil of who Kennedy was, what he stood for and what might have been if he had lived, Americans have not done the one thing you would expect such deep affection for a fallen hero would demand: we still don't know who killed him.

How much has been written on this subject? Too much, perhaps. To wander into the rabbit hole of JFK assassination theory, one must prepare for a Lewis Carroll-esque tumble through a record, half a century in the making, that is among the greatest lies any society has ever been asked to swallow in the name of moving forward in order to heal itself.

No sane person believes Kennedy was killed by one bitter ex-marine. To be an American today is to accept this awful truth and to live your life with unresolved doubts about your country as a result. Those who promote the Oswald theory do so knowing that some Americans are still incapable of seeing the truth, or they are still working on behalf of the portion of the US intelligence community that remains invested in the cover-up.

Kennedy died because a hell-bent confluence of anti-Castro, pro-interventionist Vietnam war architects believed, after the Bay of Pigs, that Kennedy didn't have the mettle that a cold war US commander-in-chief required. They swore that Kennedy had to go for the sake of national security. Enter a crew of FBI-monitored American Mafia bosses who had their own beef with the Kennedy White House. A little Fair Play for Cuba here, a bit of David Ferrie there, a touch of David Atlee Phillips and a dollop of Jack Ruby, and it all comes out in a way that adds up to more than a Mannlicher-Carcano and a sixth-floor window. Anyone with eyes can see that Kennedy was shot from the front. Why we haven't demanded answers after all this time relates to why what happens to Snowden seems so essential to our future.

Snowden saw things he thought we, as Americans, should know. He valued the truth and thought you could handle it. He thought you needed it. Here, in America, 50 years after Kennedy was murdered, after 50 years of destroyed or altered records and vital evidence, someone risked his career, reputation and even his life to bring you the truth about what US intelligence is keeping from you.

I am uncomfortable, no doubt, with the idea that exposing secret government information could jeopardise the lives of US troops or operatives. The efforts of Julian Assange, Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden carry with them the possible risk of real harm to US forces and agents. But I believe that without a random appearance by the truth now and then, from whatever source, we learn nothing. We are thus doomed to remain on a course bound for not only threats to our own security from within, but a spiritual death as well. As long as we choose to remain in the dark we risk a further erosion of our true nature.

And then we become a nation defined only by our consumption. We are closer to that now than we have ever been. Watergate is the dividing line in the American consciousness, separating the time when we suspected from the time we confirmed certain truths about our government. Setting aside Nixon's own political campaign operations, Watergate's subsequent revelations about Vietnam alone changed for ever the way a generation viewed their country and its motives. The government knew the war could not be won and yet ventured on out of pride, greed, ignorance and hatred. Fifty years laced with singlebullet theory, Eric Starvo Galt, the LAPD destroying the RFK crime scene, J Edgar Hoover, the Chicago Seven gagged in court, Nixon, Laos, Howard Hunt, Daniel Ellsberg, Woodward and Bernstein, gas shortages, airline deregulation, Ed Meese, Richard Secord, Dan Quayle, "Read My Lips", Shutdown One, Kenneth Starr, Richard Mellon Scaife, hanging chads, Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US, yellowcake, Valerie Plame, Cheney, birthers, Shutdown Two.

That is quite a run and a reality that bears certain consequences. I am mistrustful of my government. I think it lies to us, reflexively and without a scintilla of compunction, on a regular basis. That mistrust began on 22 November 1963. In honour of the 50th anniversary of JFK's assassination, I stand for truth. I stand for more truth and transparency in government. The intelligence community believes that most Americans don't want to know how the sausage is made. But I can handle it. I think most Americans, a pretty tough bunch, can handle it, too.

 

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+22 # Walter J Smith 2013-11-02 14:15
Neo-liberal apologetics are more tiring than watching the spiraling out of control US government. Wonder why paragraph 2 left our Clinton sexual promiscuity, Clinton pathological lying, and Clinton killing Glass-Steagall? Obama didn't start the lying. He only exploits. He is a very small president.

Many Democrats still actually believe Clinton was a big president. He was a big disaster, like almost of his post-WWII predecessors. Like all of them, Obama's most significant contribution to the Presidency is adding more smallness & degeneracy to it.

The Vietnam War, in which I served as a combatant (2 tours), and the JFK assassination were indeed significant. Nothing post WWII, however, compares with the significance of the creation of the national security state.

Too bad so few writers even notice the existence of our national security state - the very one that generates the most misinformation & the most public psychoses, the very one that costs the most money, the very one that wastes more lives and material wealth than everything else combined in our public life.

Too bad we have so many tiny writers when we need giants like Chris Hedges and Andrew Bacevich and Bill Moyers and Amy Goodman.

Too bad we have so terribly few patriots like Edward Snowden and M. Manning and the apparently about to appear new wave of patriots.
 
 
+16 # lobdillj 2013-11-03 06:19
(I intended this as a reply to Alec Baldwin's article.)

Interesting point of view to this 76 year old guy who has been a very dedicated student of the growth of the cancerous plutocracy.

You don't mention 9/11. Why? It s certain that the World Trade Center buildings (1, 2, and 7) did not collapse the way NIST's story goes. I am a physicist and chemical engineer who appears in the A&E for 9/11 Truth DVD exposing the impossibility of the NIST story.

Why do you find the evidence for a JFK conspiracy more compelling?

BTW, it is EDWARD Snowden; I'm sure that was a typo.
 
 
+13 # Granny Weatherwax 2013-11-03 11:42
"No sane person believes Kennedy was killed by one bitter ex-marine. To be an American today is to accept this awful truth and to live your life with unresolved doubts about your country as a result."

Just so, no sane person believes buildings fall at free-fall speed though the path of highest resistance.
 
 
0 # Walter J Smith 2013-11-03 21:15
Thank you, it was a typo.
 
 
+2 # Walter J Smith 2013-11-03 21:19
Thank you, it was a typo.

You are correct to also mention the 9/11 official disaster; and that was arguably planned & orchestrated by the National Insecurity State. Remember, we were losing our capacity to believe that embicile president we had in the runup to 9/11; GWB obviously was intentionally out of that loop, the way Obama has obviously been intentionally out of the NSA snoop loop.

Willful ignorance is very popular in the US. Widespread, too.

Gotta' watch out for those snoop loopers. They love spreading ignorance.
 
 
-7 # grandone@charter.net 2013-11-02 21:07
"We Didn't Start the Fire" by Billy Joel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFTLKWw542g

That song captured part of the emotion written here by Alec Baldwin. We know we have been lied to with impunity since before JFK, otherwise wars could not have been fought. As a people, we knew that the Republican candidate in 2012 was inferior to the man in the White House and we re-elected him. I am not sure, Alec, that we need to remove that scab from 50 years ago. I think we all, as you do, know that we have been lied to about the Kennedy assasination and many things since. We have a calloused cynicism toward government as you do. There is a however and it is a big however. What you describe is what we have learned through the news. News, until the 1990s, did not cover "good" news about everyday happenings that make America great. We are not great because we have more bombs and guns than any other country. We are great because of how we treat each other every day. Some other countries do it better, but they are not our country. News usually covers the bad news...what we should know in their opinion. What is not covered in the news does not make history. It does, however, constitute the life of a great people living in a great country.
 
 
+3 # JetpackAngel 2013-11-03 05:24
Great, now I'm going to have it stuck in my head for the rest of the day. Thanks.
 
 
+3 # Granny Weatherwax 2013-11-03 11:44
Quoting grandone@charter.net:
We are great because of how we treat each other every day.


Do you think we are great because of how we treat the others every day?
 
 
+17 # brux 2013-11-02 22:41
I sort of think that if Alec Baldwin respected the truth he would nor participate so often in so many commercials that are essentially institutionaliz ed lying.
 
 
+29 # PABLO DIABLO 2013-11-02 23:04
Alec Baldwin, you weren't born yet, but our moral decline started when we bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
 
 
+50 # humanmancalvin 2013-11-03 04:50
Pablo, not that I'm not in agreement with your assessment but as an American Indian (A. Indian is on my government ID card)I'd have to say it started a hell of a lot earlier with the white led decimation of a race of people. All of the insulting & absurd comparisons to our president O. as Hitler would be more fitting labeled to the whites off of ships in the very beginning as they murdered, raped & plundered there way eventually out into the West. My Eastern tribe is so small now & filled with mixed bloods it is hard to distinguish. My older brother is Chief of our tribe & tries to keep the old ways but most of these are lost to time as tribe member after another died of disease, poverty, alcoholism. This country has a filthy past & its present is miles from squeaky clean. Voter suppression by the Tealiban, drastic cuts to Food Stamps which means yet more starving kids, elderly & disabled. The haves trying their level best to deny health care under the new law AKA insultingly, (of course) Obamacare. A minimum wage that is not enough for bare essentials while the top wealthiest become even more so.Revolutions have begun for less & though I'm getting old I still have warrior blood pumping in my veins. When is enough enough?
 
 
+2 # Walter J Smith 2013-11-03 21:31
Too few of us have the courage to ask your last question and also continue calling ourselves citizens. Too few of us care to look into our own past to recognize the stunningly plain truth you tell plainly and directly. Too few of us even pay attention to the national bipartisan disaster clamboring down upon us.

In other words, we simply abandoned our self-respect when we abandoned our civic opportunities to make this a decent nation. We let ourselves become addicted to cheezeball tv and ear rot radio.

We simply find sleazy distractions and ignore the fact that we are too darned lazy to give our children a better place rather than a worse one than what we stole and/or inherited.
 
 
0 # brux 2013-11-06 01:29
I agree with Calvin, America has a lot to answer for, and until it gets real and comes clean and makes amends it will continue to act like a criminal ... like any other criminal.

Enough was enough a long, long time ago.
 
 
+11 # clopes123 2013-11-03 00:06
Actually, there is another theory for the Kennedy and Lincoln assassinations, having to do with the Federal Reserve. They both got the US Treasury to issue debt-free money (the Greenbacks). This was reversed within months after Johnson got in.
 
 
+18 # Annietime13 2013-11-03 00:33
Michael Hastings
Michael Hastings
MICHAEL HASTINGS
 
 
+2 # Painter 2013-11-03 19:04
Write to your Senators and demand an investigation into his death.
 
 
+18 # csbrudy 2013-11-03 00:43
Did it not start with the USS Maine, or did it start long before the trail of tears?
There has long been a push by powerful interests, centered around powerful families, to steadily expand their power.
there are very many theories about who is behind what, but basically everybody knows who it is: The wealthy. The offspring go to Ivy League land, then into the ever expanding intelligence bureaucracy. Through common purpose, say, enriching IKE's bogeyman, the powerful coalesce, into a huge, ruthless minority, bent on total control.
Happy Holidays
 
 
+2 # cwbystache 2013-11-03 07:03
long before USS Maine, long before Trail of Tears: "modern" Europeans, getting rid of Neanderthals--a nd probably something else dimly before that ... the parade goes on.
 
 
+21 # hoodwinkednomore 2013-11-03 01:24
This is a great piece. I would add the assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King; and the continued assassinations and slaughters in Central and South America to his list of the US Gov't's spy-operated exploits. And lest we forget about the Corporatization of America, we must include Big Oil exploits, the world over--for generations.
 
 
+18 # m... 2013-11-03 01:41
Can an average American describe what the 'State' actually is now?
After 30+ years of 'Smaller Government' and 'Privatization of Government' according to Wall Street Lobby Formulations, what forces now move American Government from concept to force, power and presence in our lives? Why does what we still call 'Government' do what it does now?
Law, Regulation,Taxa tion (and Tax Structure) are major concepts and forces that actually empower We the People to be WE THE PEOPLE in the entire equation of a Government of, by and for the People.
Conservatives and Plutocrats have stolen that entire concept and made it their own.
We the People have been deregulated out of power and largely amputated from the government equation through decades of Legislation and Regulation according to Corporate Lobby. Our Power has been starved to death by De-Taxation according to Corporate Lobby. Huge parts of Government have been privatized into For-Profit Contracts according to Corporate Lobby and so, our taxes go to them more and more.
We the People have been rendered into little more than We the Consumers living in a For-Profit Corporate Government State.

So-- What is the 'State'..?

If there is one single Rally Point that is Common Ground for so many diverse groups struggling against the PLUTOCRATIC TIDE, it would be as ANTI-SMALLER GOVERNMENT SCAM Patriots!

'Smaller Government' is a failure for all but a very few.

BRING BACK THE NEW DEAL.
 
 
+5 # Milarepa 2013-11-03 01:34
Great, Alec, thanks. You mention karma - that happens rarely in these comments. Great nations have karma, yes, I believe that too. It's vast and complex. Look at Germany, though. Perhaps the worst karma ever accumulated in a mere 15 years. And look at them now - probably the most stable and prosperous nation in the world. Or not? If you accept the notion of karma you may agree that it's too complex for an explanation. So let's just see how it all plays out. After all, the purpose of karma can't be to ensure survival of any one political system at whatever cost, can it?
 
 
+16 # curmudgeon 2013-11-03 03:21
Someone once told me about someone who saw FBI files that caused him to retract his belief in the 'official Warren Report"

His claim was that the truth would rip this country apart....and he heard from those who know that the records and evidence will never see the light of day in the U.S.

We really need to thank Snowden and his ilk and all those who helped tear a hole in the curtain in front of the 'Wizard of Oz'

Maybe that scene was prescient of WWII and its aftermath.

Don't forget the U.S. needed WWII to get out of the Depression and in doing so built the MIC (and now SIC) to keep wars going to benefit the corporate rich
 
 
+7 # ericlipps 2013-11-03 06:30
While I agree that JK's assassination seems to have sent the U.S. lurching off down a bad path, it's not necessary to reject the Warren Report, or even to idealize Kennedy, to believe this.

Whatever else he did, JFK mobilized idealism in millions of people. His murder, whether carried out by a pathetic lone loser or by a conspiracy, was a slap in the face to those who thought they saw a way forward for the U.S. which spoke to our highest ideals rather than our fears and greed.
 
 
0 # cwbystache 2013-11-03 06:57
How does "you can't cheat an honest man[/woman] fit into this?
 
 
-13 # MidwesTom 2013-11-03 07:17
I love all of these comments, and would have no problem with any of them, but I fail to see any comment about how to return to the US we knew and loved 50 years ago. My international travels demand that i stay on top of the security situation around the world. I will not list them here, but in at least 25 countries the citizens are being attacked by fundamentalists Muslims simply because they are non-Muslims, and they do not want to live under Sharia law.

I hate the security state here, but in my opinion we either have to live with it, or remove all Muslims from this country. I know that many will jump on me for this, but listen to the words of this Inman in Tennessee: (pardon to site, just listen to his words):

http://clashdaily.com/2013/10/religion-peace-imam-tennessee-jews-christians-filthy-property-belongs-muslim/

After listening tell me that you are not concerned about the fastest growing group in this country.
 
 
+8 # cwbystache 2013-11-03 07:40
You haven't seen that comment because of the impossibility of that happening. I was there, too, fifty years ago and I don't remember it being worth trying to return to. The challenge is to build a new world, not reconstruct a halcyon time that never existed to begin with, but that hoped-for new world can come through using the only thing that is stronger than the hate you point out: love.
 
 
-5 # MidwesTom 2013-11-03 18:01
I advise you to visit Nigeria, Mali, Indonesia, Libya, India, Russia, and many others; all of whom are suffering from Islamist violence. Did you listen to Inman in Tennessee. He is instructing his followers that it is their right to take whatever they want from non-Muslims. That is why we now live under a police state.
 
 
+1 # cwbystache 2013-11-03 18:15
Yes, I was at one time advised to live in such places, and so I did--wandered the Muslim lands around the Indian Ocean for a couple years ... coast of Kenya, Somalia, India, Sri Lanka, Malaysia ... I didn't come away with your opinion, not exactly anyway. There were/are things that are extremely troubling about Islam as it's interpretted by any number of Muslims, but that ratio of who uses what to destroy whom is probably about the same as anything one might find within Christianity.
 
 
0 # BKnowswhitt 2013-11-04 12:26
Too many minus's here for Tom. Islamic Fundamentalist Extremism is a huge threat to us here at home and all of the west. But you can't say remove all Muslims. If you removed all Muslims from USA you'd be surprised to find what they added to our culture that is good. Besides the extremist brand is the problem. The Crusades were against Muslim Rule in Europe where Constantine used the Catholic Religion to fight that war. Religious Extremism historically has done this sort of thing before. IF you deported good God Fearing Muslims from the USA the problem would not go away. As of now you can't sit down with these extremies today and reason either. This is a war right now and I agree we have to allow certain breaches during this time and pay the price for that. And at the same time keep a close eye of checks and balances that our government does not use that position in other ways that are illegally against our rights and way of life and attempt at democracy here at home.
 
 
0 # tigerlille 2013-11-04 23:38
I live in a university town filled with Muslims, and to be quite blunt, I don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
 
 
0 # brux 2013-11-06 01:37
That sure was blunt, but to be just as blunt, University students are not the Muslims that have the gripes that lead to terrorism and murder, so many you should not be so proud of not knowing what the fuck is being talked about - it implies you pay not attention to the news or world events.
 
 
0 # brux 2013-11-06 01:35
Unlike lots of people here who go nuts if you say anything bad about Muslims, I agree, they are a problem all over the world.

The way we have decided to manage this threat has been manipulated to also allow corporations and powerful people to profiteer off the problem and take over to profiteer even more.
 
 
0 # RobertMStahl 2013-11-03 10:28
1. Norman Dodd on 1909 study about charitable foundations and war
2. Diana West on WWII collusion between nations and much more
3. Arthur Silber on personality complexes with relation to power
4. William Irwin Thompson's Lindisfarne Association scientists and non-linear learning or a paradigm shift, transforms in evolution related to the life sciences and the Aesthetic
5. Randell L Mills and the addition of structure to physics, The Grand Unified Theory of Classical Physics, the smaller part being his discovery of dark matter.
6. Rudolf Steiner on Ahriman
7. Paul Craig Roberts on economics
8. Karen Hudes on surveillance state

Evolution is substitution, truly an aesthetic appreciation for life.

Gregory Bateson, "It is only the difference that makes a difference."
 
 
+3 # RHytonen 2013-11-03 10:57
A larger(wealthie r) Power or Industry (or cartel of industries)
cannot be regulated by a lesser Power.

Until government (State AND Federal)is large (and pays officials,)enou gh to escape Electoral, Legislative, regulatory and judicial CAPTURE, and business wealth (PROFITS) and therefore power are then REDUCED and CAPPED; government will never be able to do its job.
 
 
0 # RobertMStahl 2013-11-03 11:04
It is Plato's Oblivion

"The only hope for salvation is to take those who have come before us," said the late Saul Bellow (murdered after writing More Die of Heartbreak about totalitarian advances, and as promised by Chicago mob boss Gus Alex in 1976 for opening his mouth, which he did again in '97).

The debate must include what is at stake, the message that propaganda hides by overwhelming. Control comes from conversation (the late F.J. Varela). That is what is being withheld. "Context is everything," said Gregory Bateson.
 
 
+1 # MendoChuck 2013-11-03 14:09
So much is said about this Great Country and the chaos that now takes place in Washington DC. NOTHING will or can change until we have a change in where our government is now.

One rule I think that covers this is very simple . . . .
Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution: "Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to any and all elected officials."

This is impossible until we stop electing incumbents.
Plain and simple . . . This Republic was not designed to be run by "PROFESSIONAL" politicians . . . .
 
 
0 # BKnowswhitt 2013-11-04 12:17
Legacy of Secrecy book will become a movie authors interviewed many and went deeper on this than others. JFK was no peace nik. There was a covert plan for Bay of Pigs. I know several people who were in the military and were being readied for the u.S. invasion of Cuba at that time. JFK along with only a couple people knew of it. U.S. had a high up Cuban Commander on their side. The plan was to contrive the reasons and then the plant would take over. The beans got spilled inside to the Mafia who had big ties with Castro. That fits better than the US Gov killing him. Low level operators like Oswald and Ruby all connected. RFK knew it too but no one could acknowledge any of this invasion plan. J Edgar knew and I think that is why RFK went so heavily against the Mafia there after. Kennedy did not want war with Vietnam as the neocons of his day and Eisenhours day wanted it. He said it's 100 to 1 that we could win against Mao and a country reacting to decades of French Colonialism. Kennedy was a carry a big stick old fashioned Hawk and is incorrectly portrayed as some kind of saviour in this regard ...
 
 
0 # Maturus 2013-11-04 13:31
Perhaps Alec Baldwin might consider the effect of Hollywood on the American psyche. How can people fed drivel such as Argo, U571, The Patriot, Braveheart... (the list goes on) which is presented as factual ever be expected to understand anything real?
 
 
0 # tigerlille 2013-11-04 23:51
With the government sponsored assasinations of JFK, MLK, and RFK, the United States plunged into an alternate universe of utter corruption. It has not been a fun ride for those of us who have lived long enough to witness it first hand. Sure, JFK was a deeply flawed man, but the remarkable thing about him is that this product of corrupt wealth grew and changed during his short presidential term for the better. But evidently the decision to take on the CIA and the mafia is a virtual death sentence.
 
 
+1 # Dawg66 2013-11-06 09:58
Thank you Mr. Baldwin.
I retuned to college as a 40 year old to earn a teaching degree. My history teacher, a Marine Corp lifer, ask the class if we thought the US are the "good guys." As a veteran, republican, follower of Faux News, and a descendent of three soldiers and one nurse of the American Revolution I answered loud and proud YES!
Shortly after I was struck with a debilitating disease, and found myself with unlimited time to research history, truth, and conjecture.
The battle for America's soul began with Hamilton. We lost. Since that time it has been a struggle of the people versus the aristocracy of money and power.
We are not the good guys. It broke my heart when I realized that fact. The principals, the ethics of the common man in the US, is not the ethics carried out by the government. Our governent lies, cheats, steals, commits murder of the innocent in the name of National Security and then prosecutes those that bring it to light. When will good Americans stand up, take notice, clean house, and demand that our foreign and domestic policy be reasserted in the role of lifting the world out of chaos and poverty rather than the wholistic pursuit of wealth and power. The Greatest Generation sacrificed so many to stop the very government we have evolved into today.
If we r a target of terrorism, it is 100% due to our despicable history of abuse of power. Our leaders promote themselves as Christians, but forget Christ's message; Love Thy Neighbor as yourself.
 
 
0 # tclose 2013-11-07 22:41
Thank you, Dawg66, for such a heartfelt commentary. You summarize "the battle for America's soul very well. It is impressive how far you have come from your roots to where you are today. Bravo.
 

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