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Frenkel reports: "Israeli tanks and troops moved toward the Gaza Strip on Thursday night in apparent preparation for a possible invasion."

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in his office, 07/22/12. (photo: Getty Images)
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in his office, 07/22/12. (photo: Getty Images)


All-Out War Feared As Israel Moves Troops Toward Gaza

By Sheera Frenkel, McClatchy Newspapers

16 November 12

 

sraeli tanks and troops moved toward the Gaza Strip on Thursday night in apparent preparation for a possible invasion of the crowded seaside enclave after a day of violence that included two militant rocket strikes on the southern suburbs of Tel Aviv, raising the likelihood that the region was on the brink of all-out war.

A day after Israeli aircraft and warships retaliated for hundreds of rockets fired into the country in recent weeks by striking scores of targets in Gaza in the biggest Israeli military operation in four years, Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak summoned more than 30,000 reservists to military duty. Barak said the order was intended to make Israel "ready for any development."

Those soldiers could be seen from the Israeli city of Kiriyat Malachi, 20 miles north of Gaza, massing and heading toward the border, even as officials indicated that the decision to invade hadn't yet been made.

"We have made the preparations, and entering is certainly an option," said a senior Israeli military official based in southern Israel, who spoke only on the condition of anonymity under the military's ground rules. "If the politicians were looking for an excuse, Hamas gave them one."

That was a reference to rockets fired by militants in Gaza that struck neighborhoods across the southern Tel Aviv metropolis, the first time Palestinian rockets had reached the densely populated urban center where more than 40 percent of Israelis live.

No one was injured in the strikes on Tel Aviv, but three people died in Kiriyat Malachi when a militant's rocket struck a four-story building.

The possibility of all-out war alarmed countries across the globe. Egypt's Islamist government said Prime Minister Hesham Kandil would visit Gaza on Friday in a show of solidarity with Hamas and ordered the border crossing at Rafah opened around the clock to allow wounded Gazans to seek medical care in Egypt. Gaza's Hamas leaders said offers of assistance were pouring in from throughout the Arab world.

The United States expressed support for Israel and blamed Hamas for triggering the violence by allowing militants to fire rockets into Israel. President Barack Obama spoke with Egypt's Islamist president, Mohammed Morsi, and urged him to broker a cease-fire. Hamas considers itself a close ally of Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood, of which Morsi was a leading member before he assumed the presidency.

France, too, sought to broker peace between the two sides, with the country's prime minister saying that President Francois Hollande had been in touch with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Morsi. The prime minister, Jean-Marc Ayrault, called the violence "dangerous for the security" of both Israelis and Palestinians, according to news reports.

Morsi sided with Hamas, saying, "The Israelis must realize that this aggression is unacceptable and would only lead to instability in the region and would negatively and greatly impact the security of the region."

On the streets of Tel Aviv, there was a new sense of vulnerability, even though police said the two rockets that landed here had done so harmlessly, one falling into the water just off the beach in the Tel Aviv neighborhood of Jaffa, and the other striking a field near the town of Rishon Lezion. Still, for many who'd thought they lived in areas of the country safe from attack from Gaza militants the sound of air raid warnings brought a new sense of dread.

Israelis strolling along the beach promenade in Tel Aviv went sprawling into the sand in search of cover as police warned that they had less then 90 seconds from the sound of the first siren before a rocket was expected to land.

Police and military officials said they hadn't confirmed what type of rocket had managed to span the more then 40 miles between the Gaza Strip and the Tel Aviv area. But suspicion fell on Iranian-made Fajr missiles, which Israeli officials say Hamas militants have smuggled into Gaza in recent months.

That prospect made it more likely that Israel would send troops into Gaza as it became obvious that Israeli airstrikes on more than 70 missile-launching sites had failed to curb Hamas' ability to strike.

Hostilities between Israel and Gaza have increased steadily since Tuesday morning, when Israeli planes hit targets across Gaza and assassinated Hamas' top military leader, Ahmed Jabari.

At least 15 people have died in Gaza since the bombing began and hundreds have been wounded. Residents of Gaza City reported that the streets were empty as Palestinians took cover wherever they could.

Plumes of smoke above Gaza were laced with the trails of outgoing rockets, many of which exploded in midair as Israel's Iron Dome missile-defense system intercepted them.

Most in Gaza stayed indoors, keeping children away from windows and rooftops as Israeli planes and drones could be heard circling overhead.

Ali Dawoudi, a 28-year-old resident of Gaza City, said residents of Gaza already felt as if the Palestinians and the Israelis were at war. He complained that the conflict was an unbalanced one.

"You are not talking about two countries," he said. "You are talking about a group fighting a huge country like Israel."

Dr. Hasan Khalaf, the director of Shifa Hospital, Gaza's largest, said it no longer was treating people with non-serious wounds and was running low on supplies.

"We have had over 150 injuries and 15 killed," he said. "We do not have room anymore for the lighter injuries. We are sending people home to make room for the more serious injuries."

Israeli warplanes were hitting a wide range of targets, reports indicated. Three people reportedly were killed when a missile struck their car. Another report said Israeli missiles had struck an electricity plant that fed power to the home of Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh.

 

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+23 # guyachs 2012-11-16 09:57
There's an election coming and Netanyahu wants to unite the Israeli people behind him. That strategy worked here and it works there.
 
 
+27 # dkonstruction 2012-11-16 10:26
Quoting guyachs:
There's an election coming and Netanyahu wants to unite the Israeli people behind him. That strategy worked here and it works there.


It worked for Bibi 4 years ago so it looks like he's running the same playbook
now.
 
 
-8 # DvoraA 2012-11-16 10:49
Guess you've never lived near the Gaza border in Israel. Rockets have been falling on those areas for well over a year. Israel hasn't gone after the launch sites until now. What would the US government do if rockets were falling on New York City, DC, Chicago, or any other city? Two wars were started over 9/11 and "weapons of mass destruction."
 
 
-17 # Vern Radul 2012-11-16 11:43
Guess you've never lived near the Israel border in Gaza.

What would the US government do if terrorists were penetrating the US border and massacring civilians in New York City, DC, Chicago, or any other city? Two wars were started over 9/11 and "weapons of mass destruction."

Perhaps obama will start droning the terrorist leaders in Jerusalem soon?
 
 
+13 # Johnny 2012-11-16 13:24
It is obvious that what the Israelis want is Palestinian land, water, and natural gas. Peace is the last thing the Israeli government is interested in.
 
 
+1 # David Starr 2012-11-16 15:14
@Johnny: Given Israel's pattern of behavior over a span of years, and despite sitting with the other side for negotiations, your assertion is more plausible than self-defense. How is it the latter when Israel continues its occupation and settlements? That doesn't sound like self-defense, but rather, going beyond it. That is the sticking point, and why rockets will be shot into Israel.
 
 
-25 # tahoevalleylines 2012-11-16 11:47
Of course the first comment making sense earns the negatives...

These events are not a surprise to persons familiar with the mission statement described in Genesis Chapter 17.

For more recent narrative see Grant's "The Blood Of The Moon" Militants in Egypt cannot decide whether to demolish the Great Pyramids or move to occupy Jerusalem en masse. Decisions, decisions...
 
 
+33 # dkonstruction 2012-11-16 12:44
Quoting tahoevalleylines:
Of course the first comment making sense earns the negatives...

These events are not a surprise to persons familiar with the mission statement described in Genesis Chapter 17.

For more recent narrative see Grant's "The Blood Of The Moon" Militants in Egypt cannot decide whether to demolish the Great Pyramids or move to occupy Jerusalem en masse. Decisions, decisions...


thanks tahoevalleyline s...i know that whenever i want to learn about the middle east, arabic history or the history of Islam i too always turn to such objective sources and experts as a US evangelical writer and fundamentalist preacher. I mean, who could even question their knowledge and expertise on such matters.
 
 
+20 # Activista 2012-11-16 14:22
i know that whenever i want to learn about the middle east, arabic history or the history of Islam i too always turn to such objective sources and experts as a US evangelical writer and fundamentalist preacher. I mean, who could even question their knowledge and expertise on such matters.
Great but true sarcasm - shall I laugh or cry? US is so brainwashed by war propaganda ..
 
 
+4 # David Starr 2012-11-16 15:20
@tahoevalleylin es: Speaking of the Old Testament, explain the ancient Israelites being commanded by their god to slaughter thier neighbors because the latter wouldn't beleive in the former. It sounds like God and his/her/its worshippers didn't have a good nighbor policy.

And it's evident that Netanyahu is continuing the policy, "True Israelite" that he is.
 
 
+19 # Archie1954 2012-11-16 11:48
If the US were confiscating a neighbouring country's land and imprisoning its people in an open air gulag, I would think it would be prepared for some sort of resistance, however small.
 
 
-12 # Robt Eagle 2012-11-16 13:24
Archie, What freaking planet do you live on? Israel is not the aggressor here, they have been fired on by Hamas for how long? Now that they have had citizens killed, and a baby maimed, don't you think they are entitled to protect themselves. Get into reality man!
 
 
+3 # Glen 2012-11-16 17:19
Robt. Israel fired the first shot when they took out a Hamas leader as he drove through town. Blew up his car. Then the rockets were in evidence. That got swept under the rug after immediate reports showing the rocket hitting the car. There is no comparison between Palestine or Israel in the way of weapons. Guess who is the biggest bully on the block with the biggest fists?

Yep, the all time greatest whiner on the planet: Israel.
 
 
+1 # stannadel 2012-11-17 04:31
Not true! Hamas had fired over a hundred rockets into Israel in the days before they killed the Hamas military commander and started hitting the missile sites.
 
 
-2 # Glen 2012-11-17 20:20
All this back and forth has been going on a long time, but Israel has the upper hand and has definitely killed far more than "Hamas" even considered. Israel has used illegal weapons, such as white phosphorus (as the U.S. has), bulldozed entire neighborhoods, killed children and babies while hanging out clothes, stolen land, burned orchards, stolen water (and that includes Lebanon as well), demolished entire villages, and on and on and on.

Israel is a brutal, genocidal government and requires no sympathy whatsoever. That country has been brutal right from their inception, and only the United States supports them and uses them as a Middle East military base.

Do your research.
 
 
+28 # dkonstruction 2012-11-16 11:50
Quoting DvoraA:
Guess you've never lived near the Gaza border in Israel. Rockets have been falling on those areas for well over a year. Israel hasn't gone after the launch sites until now. What would the US government do if rockets were falling on New York City, DC, Chicago, or any other city? Two wars were started over 9/11 and "weapons of mass destruction."


One can of course be consistant and condemn both the rocket attacks as well as Israel's response and at the same time acknowledge that until the occupation ends there can never be peace. Both the Palestinians and the majority of the Israeli people have supported the two state solution based on mutual recognition and based on the pre-67 borders. The Israeli gov't on the other hand has never proposed, accepted or supported such a deal.
 
 
+4 # Johnny 2012-11-16 13:22
It is obvious that what the Israelis want is Palestinian land, water, and natural gas. Peace is the last thing the Israeli government is interested in.
 
 
-5 # Cassandra2012 2012-11-16 16:01
Gee, I thought it did, but Arafat refused ... 'never could accept a deal that gave him 90% of what he asked for!'
 
 
+3 # Activista 2012-11-16 18:37
" 'never could accept a deal that gave him 90% of what he asked for!"
Please give references - it was barely 80% - and NOT an inch of Jerusalem - look upshrinking map of Palestine ..
 
 
+9 # Activista 2012-11-16 14:29
Guess you've never lived near the Israeli border in prison Gaza.
Operation Cast Lead (מבצע עופרת יצוקה‎) aka Gaza Massacre:
Between 1,166 and 1,417 Palestinian (mostly civilians - 340 children included)
13 Israeli deaths (4 from friendly fire)
 
 
+22 # humanmancalvin 2012-11-16 10:59
Al Jazerra has reported that the rockets were fired by splinter Al Qaeda groups & not by Hamas. This was mentioned on MSNBC last night as well. If Israel knows this & is still targeting Palestinians of all stripes then this is a criminal act.
Similar to the hate & smear campaign being waged by McCain on Susan Rice, if one is not physically there then one can only know what is being reported by hopefully legitimate sources. Hopefully Israel does not decide to mushroom cloud the Middle East, dragging America into an unwinnable conflict.
 
 
-33 # Robt Eagle 2012-11-16 13:27
Susan Rice is a pawn of Obama's lying administration that did what ever it needed to do for re-election. Unfortunately America is the loser, not Romney. We will now be under Emperor Obama, supported by Eric Holder and his DOJ turning a blind eye to anything that requires justice implicating Obama. This is Chicago politics at its worst, heaped onto the US populace in doses no one can unravel (especially when Holder will never appoint an independent investigator to sort it all out)
 
 
+9 # robniel 2012-11-16 14:28
It's time to leave the bubble.
 
 
+10 # David Starr 2012-11-16 15:25
@Robt Eagle: The Chicago School of Economics, Milton Friedman's nest, is Freidmanism at its worst. Obama's politics pales in comparison.

You sould read up on that kind of economics. It's a rightie's wet dream, i.e., "bleeding" labor out of workers at any cost to them. You sound like you're into that.
 
 
+4 # Activista 2012-11-16 18:46
"the rockets were fired by splinter Al Qaeda groups & not by Hamas"
the same groups that were fighting people of Libya and people of Syria on behalf of PNAC -
The Project for the New American Century
www.democracynow.org/2011/11/28/glenn_greenwald_is_obama_fulfilling_the
 
 
+30 # contessaek@aol.com 2012-11-16 11:11
israel will never have peace. their aggression is unparelled.
 
 
-20 # The Voice of Reason 2012-11-16 12:41
Indeed, it is as if the Bible prophecies have been fulfilled:

"And the remnant of Jacob shall be among the Gentiles in the midst of many people as a lion among the beasts of the forest, as a young lion among the flocks of sheep: who, if he go through, both treadeth down, and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver."

Notice how today Israel is surrounded by voracious beasts who seek only death and destruction. 'Flocks of sheep' is a reference to religious followers. And the power of Israel is the hand of God on their backs.

The aggression you refer to is that of the Islamic leaders whose slogan is the cry of murder. They will surely fail.

"How oft, by God’s will, hath a small host vanquished a numerous host!” Qur'an 2:249

Maybe they should read their own Holy Book.
 
 
+6 # robniel 2012-11-16 14:28
What claptrap!
 
 
-6 # The Voice of Reason 2012-11-17 00:03
How so? It has been fulfilled exactly as stated. Your denial is unsupported.
 
 
+7 # David Starr 2012-11-16 15:32
@TVR: Quoting from the verse of an ancient, abstract-writte n story does not even begin to reflect reality, e.g., in today's world. And you sound not too sure whether this "prophesy" is true. Understandably so.

What about quoting, from the Old Testament, the Israelites slaughtering of neighboring tribes because they said their god told them to? That doesn't sound very reasonable.
 
 
-6 # The Voice of Reason 2012-11-17 00:02
I only say it that way because I know that you and people like you will never believe the truth. That's what makes an infidel and infidel, and a Satan worshiper a Satan worshiper.
 
 
0 # David Starr 2012-11-19 15:27
@TVR: The truth? Like your username, your comments are contradictions.

So, you think you know the truth? How about others? Do they know the truth, even if it contradicts your perception?

Would you also say that Satan had something to do with ancient Israelites' slaughtering? But they said God told them to. So, is it the "Devil made me do it," or "Yahweh ordered me to do it"?
 
 
-1 # dkonstruction 2012-11-20 13:42
Quoting The Voice of Reason:
I only say it that way because I know that you and people like you will never believe the truth. That's what makes an infidel and infidel, and a Satan worshiper a Satan worshiper.


So those of us that are critical of Israeli state policies are "infidels" and "Satan worhsippers"?
 
 
+1 # The Voice of Reason 2012-11-20 20:33
I didn't actually say that, but now that you have said it ... hmmm let me think about that one for a while.
 
 
-1 # fliteshare 2012-11-24 03:55
Don't think too long, it will count against going to heaven.
 
 
+1 # brux 2012-11-16 12:51
If it wasn't they'd be dead
 
 
+1 # Human Right 2012-11-16 11:47
The Ashkenazim world mafia bull dozes the homes of Palestinians, torture, murder, and then place the remaining people in the Gaza prison. The people in the prison are controlled, restricted and bombed if they try to retaliate against the Ashkenazim who have stolen their land and placed them in prison. Anybody that tries to bring medicine or food to the imprisoned will also be punished by the Ashkenazim mafia. Zionism is evil!
 
 
-1 # DRU2012 2012-11-16 14:13
Well-named--the "Human Right", as in RIGHT WING EXTREMIST: This is latter-day National Socialist (ie. NAZI) propaganda masked in modern terminology...I suppose I expected more educated and aware insight here at RSN, but I am finding weak-spined, sheep-like "salon-liberali sm" here instead...Other wise there'd be more outrage at this sort of thing, and less passive acceptance--or is it ignorance?
Ironically enough, there is an Israeli version of "right-wing hawks" in power THERE at the moment, swept in and kept there by muslim theological extremists who have ALWAYS found common cause with the NAZIs since LONG before the nightmare that comprised their official rule of Germany. As I have tried to argue before, these are folks who, with all their supposed "differences", actually compose a "minority alliance of psychotic control freaks" who all NEED each other to garner and HOLD whatever power they have in the first place.
 
 
+1 # DRU2012 2012-11-16 14:25
As a believer in and defender OF the Constitution of the United States of America, I of course support ALL citizens' rights to voice their opinions publicly, but PLEASE MAKE NO MISTAKE, FELLOW CITIZENS:
Dick V. Prichard and his "Human Right" are a tiny group of twisted Fascist psychotics who, like all such white-supremaci st-types THEMSELVES "hide" behind the veneer of the word, "Christianity", in truth have as much contempt for Christ's teachings as they do the very Constitution that protects their "right-to-free- expression" in the first place, and would HAPPILY burn us ALL if ever given the kind of power their kind huddles in basements (whose walls are adorned with swasticas and Hitler-posters) and STILL dream of somehow "coming back".
 
 
-1 # DRU2012 2012-11-16 14:41
Regarding this notably "Extremist Block" here at RSN:
Thankfully, even without the awareness and disdain of people who should KNOW better, such people's ONLY "hope" is a complete breakdown to a world of abject chaos that, if it WERE to come-to-pass, they'd find a whole lot less "controllable" than they envision it--for ANY of us, among those unfortunate enough to find themselves facing a future there.
However: frankly, I find myself more and more alienated among most of you here. It seems that either the rabid frothing-at-the -mouth sickness of irradicals, OR the nambi-pambi , sheep-like "I heard it on NPR"-passivenes s of folks who neither bother to educate themselves nor stand-UP to the extremists, that mostly comprise the views expressed here at this "Reader Supported News". It has been both an eye-opening and hugely disappointing experience, thus far, I must say.
 
 
+2 # Cassandra2012 2012-11-16 16:06
Out and out stupid bigotry is what is evil.
Askenazim? They are only one part of the Israeli populace, unless what you are really irrationally railing against is 'Jews' (or the warped concept of Jews you got from your Sunday school/masses?)
 
 
0 # stannadel 2012-11-17 04:37
So now we see the transition to open Antisemitism. Anti-Zionists beware of this slippery slope and look at the scum your rhetoric is bringing out into the open on your side.
 
 
-2 # artic fox 2012-11-16 11:48
The stupidity of the Hamas is clearly evident - they are the ones committing these provocations - for years they have been told to stop firing rockets and the like - Hamas is desperate for power and submitting the population in the Gaza area to the consequences of their acts. Hamas does not have any compunction regarding the safety of civilians. For over 60 years they have had ample opportunities to end this senseless
destruction and loss of life. Their stupidity only mirrors the legacy of nazi-loving Mufti of Jerusalem of the 1930-1940s.
 
 
-4 # brux 2012-11-16 12:47
Well said, well supported.
 
 
-5 # Human Right 2012-11-16 11:49
The Ashkenazim mafia claim they are entitled to murder, steal, and plunder because they are followers of Judaism. In fact, Judaism beliefs are contrary to actions of the Ashkenazim mafia. The difference between the Ashkenazim mafia and Sicilian mafia is that the Ashkenazim mafia are much larger and more powerful than the Sicilian mafia. The Sicilian mafia doesn’t hide behind Catholicism like the Ashkenazim hide behind Judaism; their religions, in fact, have nothing to do with their murder, and anti-human rights stances.
 
 
+8 # Human Right 2012-11-16 11:52
You may have the bulldozers, planes and helicopters that smash houses to rubble, the commandos who descend from ropes on ships and kill unarmed civilians on the high seas as well as in Gaza, the vast power of the state behind you. We have only our hands and our hearts and our voices. But note this. Note this well. It is you who are afraid of us.
 
 
+8 # dkonstruction 2012-11-16 12:33
Quoting Human Right:
You may have the bulldozers, planes and helicopters that smash houses to rubble, the commandos who descend from ropes on ships and kill unarmed civilians on the high seas as well as in Gaza, the vast power of the state behind you. We have only our hands and our hearts and our voices. But note this. Note this well. It is you who are afraid of us.


"We" are not afraid of anti-semites like you no matter how many times you post the same nonsense. there are enough serious critiques of Israeli state policy for people to see on this board without falling for out and out anti-semitic diatribes such as yours.
 
 
-2 # brux 2012-11-16 12:46
It is the whole virtual Islamic Caliphate that is afraid of one small group standing up against them and demanding independence and to be outside Muslim law and oppression. The real Liberal argument here.
 
 
+6 # Vern Radul 2012-11-16 11:57
2 Photos...

Aftermath of HAMAS rocket attack on Israel, and Aftermath of Israeli rocket attack on Gaza.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4119059610489&set=a.1317247446936.2042201.1103233553
 
 
-7 # brux 2012-11-16 12:45
Thanks for showing that, all we ever see from this area of the world is children their fanatical parents take into war zones that get hurt and it distorts people's perceptions of what is going on.
 
 
-9 # Citizen Mike 2012-11-16 12:01
Both sides have agreed to permanent war,is that not obvious? Neither side is actually seeking peace, they have normalized endless skirmishes and occasional fullscale invasions. I think we should just watch from the sidelines and let them duke it out. A pox on both of 'em.

We would not be seeing this problem if a Jewish state had been carved out of German territory in Europe after WWII, or if the Israelis had just nationalized and absorbed the territories they conquered in 1967.

Let's remember that the Holocaust experience gives the Israelis immunity from moral law and a license to kill up to six million antisemites.
 
 
+7 # dkonstruction 2012-11-16 15:17
Quoting Citizen Mike:
Both sides have agreed to permanent war,is that not obvious? Neither side is actually seeking peace, they have normalized endless skirmishes and occasional fullscale invasions. I think we should just watch from the sidelines and let them duke it out. A pox on both of 'em.

We would not be seeing this problem if a Jewish state had been carved out of German territory in Europe after WWII, or if the Israelis had just nationalized and absorbed the territories they conquered in 1967.

Let's remember that the Holocaust experience gives the Israelis immunity from moral law and a license to kill up to six million antisemites.


Growing up as a secular Jew I was taught that "the Holocaust experience" in fact made it incumbent upon me to oppose this type of aggression/viol ence/oppression of anyone or any group being subjected to it no matter who the perpetrator is.
 
 
0 # DRU2012 2012-11-17 07:15
Among all the twisted non-logic and camouflaged yet embittered anti-semitismhe re, "Citizen Mike", let us remember that not only was the Jewish claim to Jerusalem and the lands that comprise what was once "Canaan" based on their own history--and that of the whole Western World for the last several thousand years--in a steady influx/pilgrima ge that had continued for centuries, and dreamed of by all for generations until empowered by a unique "perfect storm" of international political forces after WWII, BUT: Not only COULD it not have happened anywhere else, none of the "People" in question having any "alternate plan", a "return to Germany" would not have held ANY support OR emotional appeal to ANYONE, Zionist or U.N. diplomat. Finally (and perhaps most importantly from the perspective of this discussion), there'd be no grounds to sustain an argument for the existence of such a "German Israeli State" TODAY!!!
 
 
0 # brux 2012-11-17 12:23
The Palestinians were allied with Hitler during the war through their leader Haj Amin Al-Hussayni. Doubt that will open your eyes or change your mind, but you should know the truth. Had Hitler done better they would have had concentration camps and gas chambers in Palestine.
 
 
+6 # Human Right 2012-11-16 12:12
Dear President Obama:
Dear President Obama,

Israelis break UN, regional, internaitonal, and all other laws in their apparent quest to create an apartheid church state for themselves. They have been cited countless times for torturing, murdering, and stealing land but never prosecuted. I am aware hat you conform to the demands of AIPAC that rues Washington DC; however yhou could improve life on this planet if you promoted human ridghts in the Middle East instead of genocide. Please stop promoting apartheid, land stealing and murder; discontinue using our tax dollars for apartheid and homes for New York Jews in Palestine. Please focus on human rights and the needs of Americans instead.

Dick G. Pritchard
Box 1001
Helena, Mt. 59624
 
 
-3 # brux 2012-11-16 12:43
You are truly clueless.
 
 
0 # DvoraA 2012-11-16 13:26
Israel was founded as a Jewish state. It is the only Middle-Eastern state that tolerates other religions within its borders. Try being a Christian or Jew in most other countries in that area. Apartheid indeed!!!
 
 
0 # brux 2012-11-16 22:05
Who'd'a thunk it, but trying to get a fact in edgewise with these hateful elements of the Progressive cause that support Palestine is just as hard to trying to talk to a Republican, their minds are hermetically sealed.
 
 
+2 # juan 2012-11-17 00:08
that s wong,I lived in syria in2007 and christians were very well treated according to my limited experience
 
 
-1 # brux 2012-11-17 12:21
Really, I doubt it, but your criteria for "well-treated" is probably that you did not see any being beat up or threatened with your own eyes.

Are there Christian representatives in the government?

Are there any representatives of the people in the government?

What were you doing in Syria?
 
 
-1 # Activista 2012-11-17 13:10
Christians were expelled (houses looted/burned) from Holms - Syria.
more than one-half of the country's 1.5 million Christians to flee since the beginning of the American-led invasion in 2003. More than 70 churches have been bombed in US occupied Iraq during the past eight years ... One of the most serious incidents took place in October 2010, the so-called Black Sunday Massacre, when terrorists opened fire on a service in Baghdad's Our Lady of Salvation Syriac Catholic Church, killing 53 Syriac Christians.
Israel? Vatican official says Israel fostering intolerance of Christianity ...
www.telegraph.co.uk › News › ReligionSep 7, 2012 – The Israeli government's failure to respond adequately to Jewish ... Slogans reading "Death to Christians" and other offensive graffiti were ...
 
 
+7 # Old Uncle Dave 2012-11-16 12:14
Following is a list (to 2010) of United Nations Security Council resolutions directly critical of Israel for violations of U.N. Security Council resolutions, the U.N. Charter, the Geneva Conventions, international terrorism, or other violations of international law.
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/01/27/rogue-state-israeli-violations-of-u-n-security-council-resolutions/
 
 
+6 # Old Uncle Dave 2012-11-16 12:14
How Israel shattered Gaza truce leading to escalating death and tragedy: a timeline
http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/how-israel-shattered-gaza-truce-leading-escalating-death-and-tragedy-timeline
 
 
+7 # Old Uncle Dave 2012-11-16 12:15
Israel Would Have Us Believe That These People Are Terrorists

Pictures Of Children Killed and Injured By Israeli Attack On Gaza November 14, 2012

"A time comes when silence is betrayal." - Rev. Martin Luther King
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article33036.htm
 
 
-1 # stannadel 2012-11-17 04:47
Hamas was so anxious to circulate pictures of children killed by the Israelis that they couldn't wait and circulated a picture of a dead child who had been killed in Syria by the Syrian govt. By now they can use pictures of their own children but the Israelis are circulating a picture of an Israeli child mangled by a Hamas rocket. No rockets, no dead babies on either side. Let Hamas stop the rockets and the babies will live.
 
 
-7 # The Voice of Reason 2012-11-16 12:34
The first thing the Muslim leaders and their wretched followers need to do is to pick up the Qur'an that "they have cast behind their backs" (2:101) and read the Surah al-Isra 17:79 which reads:

For thy Lord hath destined for thee [Israel] a Glorious Station, and ye shall serve the Lord with all thy might.

This time has come, friends. The ancient prophecies from the Bible and even the Qur'an have been fulfilled as promised. We should be happy that the Lord, 'the mighty God' has kept His promise and brought His chosen people out of bondage into the light of Glory.

Micha 5:8 is even more exact in his description of the might of Israel in these days:

And the remnant of Jacob shall be among the Gentiles in the midst of many people as a lion among the beasts of the forest, as a young lion among the flocks of sheep: who, if he go through, both treadeth down, and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver.

Why would anybody volunteer to be the enemy of Israel, yet there seems to be no shortage.

There will always be naysayers and deniers. In the Qur'an they are called infidels and Satan worshipers. Indeed, the religious leaders who preach hatred and murder and death are the embodiment of Satan.

On that day will We cry to Hell, “Art thou full?” And Hell shall say, “Is there yet any more?” (Qur'an 50:30)

Hamas has said they will open the gates of hell, presumably from the inside. Where they long to dwell.

"How strange. How very strange."
 
 
+4 # David Starr 2012-11-16 15:43
@TVR: I thought your religion promotes tolerance and love, e.g.,
"love your enemy." Likewise, I had the same impression from the other belief.

In reality? It's more an exception than the rule.

Trying to fit a template of ancient writings onto today's circumstances is like trying to put a square block in a circle hole.
 
 
-2 # The Voice of Reason 2012-11-17 00:32
Tolerate the enemies of God? Muhammad fought His enemies, and Israel fought its enemies. Defense is the only alternative to annihilation. Indeed, if they laid down their weapons there would be plenty of love to go around for the whole world. But they are consumed in their hatred and want to destroy the world. When they succeed, you will still not see it coming.

Muslims, however, do not follow the teachings of Muhammad. They 'follow the dictates of the leaders of their Faith. Their chief concern is mere opposition, their sole desire is to ignore the truth.'

The template fits perfectly. Your denial is unsupported.
 
 
-1 # David Starr 2012-11-19 15:36
@TVR: And your denial is deep. So what about the idea of loving your enemy? Is that just a hollow slogan? Sounds like you don't conform to that teaching. Muslims don't follow? You should take a look, religiously-spe aking, in a mirror.

"Don't not judge lest ye be judged." There's another you've ignored. And Muslims don't follow thier teachings?

You should literally try to fit that square into a circle, since you're somewhat of a literalist to begin with. But be prepared to be disappointed.
 
 
+1 # The Voice of Reason 2012-11-20 09:53
So, now you're getting all religious all of a sudden, well, for a moment, and only somewhat judgmental.

Indeed, I have nothing but the love of God in my heart, even for Muslim terrorists, especially when I warn them to stop being terrorists and to act in accordance with the teachings of their religion. But I have a feeling even God is running out of patience with them.

Go ahead and back a loser if you like, it's your prerogative. But remember, this loser rejects God and has Satan as his friend. Your strident efforts to join partners with them might lead you into perdition. Don't say I didn't warn you.
 
 
+6 # goodsensecynic 2012-11-16 16:17
I agree that Islam has a lot of explaining to do. So does its cousins, Judaism and Christianity. After all, they all worship the same god (God, G-d, etc.), but they also cheerfully butcher one another and anyone else who annoys them according to their arcane beliefs about this antique desert deity.

There's once thing, however, that the sacred book of the Jews has which the others lack: it is, to my knowledge, tbe first documented case of genocide. It describes the extermination of the Midianites, who had apparently annoyed Yahweh, aka Jehovah, aka Allah.

Read it yourself in the Book of Numbers 31, especially verses 14-18.

I'll leave it to all of you (Jews, Christians and Muslims alike) to decide what to do then. Personally, I'm too disgusted by all of you to add anything more.
 
 
-6 # brux 2012-11-16 12:42
Perhaps the consequences of the world having to deal with a nuclear Iran in the FUTURE is that Israel is then forced to deal with Iran's proxies harshly NOW instead of waiting for an unknown scenario where Iran can support, attack or control at will in the future without fear of reprisal.

Israel's may see its only strategy as getting rid of Hamas, and then Hezbollah now, instead of waiting for Iran to get stronger. If Iran develops nuclear weapons and has no soldiers in Israel's border states to attack their bombs may be moot.
 
 
0 # Johnny 2012-11-16 13:16
Note the spin of this article in the totally Zionist owned U.S. media. It completely censors the Zionist murder of Palestinians, which caused the pathetic rocket launches from Gaza and makes it appear that the Zionists are just defending themselves from unprovoked aggression. Note that it does not even mention that the Zionists killed any Palestinians until the 16th paragraph! With such a "free press," it is no wonder that the idiot masses of the U.S. think that both the perpetrators and the unarmed victims of the Holocaust are both to blame.
 
 
+1 # Dr Peter Sloane 2012-11-16 13:50
He who fights monsters should take great care 'lest he too should become a monster.
 
 
+6 # Peace Anonymous 2012-11-16 14:12
Please set aside any historical data, including all religious opinion from both sides of this argument. What was written 2000 years ago has little bearing on the solution. The Palestinians have lived there for thousands of years. The man made borders of Israel have been there since 1948. Those borders were created by a group of politicians from Europe and North America. And Israel expanded those borders with acts of aggressions since. They have taken the Palestinian land and forced millions of people into a massive open-air prison called Gaza. And you wonder why there is tension? You wonder why millions are angry? Shame on you Israel. Shame on you America for supporting the bloodshed.
 
 
+1 # The Voice of Reason 2012-11-17 00:45
The first Palestinians were not Muslims. The Muslims overthrew the land in the early conquests after the passing of Muhammad and the rupture of Islam into Shi'ites (the followers of the Imam Ali, the son-in-law of Muhammad and the father of Muhammad's lineage) and the Sunnis, who rejected Muhammad's appointment of Ali as His successor and elected their own Caliph.

Mu'aviyih was in open rebellion with Ali when Ali was assassinated. Then someone struck Mu'aviyyih in the head with a sword. When he recovered, he blasphemed and said it was the will of God ('and his deadly wound was healed and all the world wondered after the beast' Rev. 13:3), and then he usurped the Caliphate, sacked Medina, desecrated Mecca and moved the capital to Damascus. All this happened by the year 666 AD. Does any of this sound familiar?

Again, the obvious is always the first to be overlooked by those who want to perpetuate hostilities and arguments.
 
 
-1 # David Starr 2012-11-16 15:08
Quoting: "The United States expressed support for Israel and blamed Hamas for triggering the violence by allowing militants to fire rockets into Israel."

Of course, while ignoring historical cause and effect. Why did Israel attack Gaza? Because Hamas shot rockets into its southern area. Why did Hamas shoot rockets into Israel. No doubt, because of Israel's continued occupation of neighbors' land, and extending its ultranationlist settlements. On top of that, religious fanaticism on both sides. And again the U.S. ignores the roots of the conflict regarding recent history. "True Israelites" like Netanyahu are only driving Israel into a higher level of danger, mainly because of that "Chosen People" myth. Stop the occupation and settlements, and that will open up important possibilities to resolve the conflict on equal grounds. Continue on this same path, and rockets, e.g., are inevitably going to be fired into Israel.
 
 
-1 # Activista 2012-11-16 21:46
Israel Deploys Nuclear Weapons on German-Built Submarines ...
Netanyahu seems to be irrational religious fanatic - now add like 300 nuclear bombs and delivery mechanism (latest submarines from Germany with Israeli nuclear warheads) to this scenario. Even traditionally pro Israel New York Time acknowledges that bombing and invasion of Gaza is the dead end (for Israel?) in the long time.
 
 
+3 # cbascom 2012-11-16 15:24
I hope it is not anti semitic to declare that I am totally against this Zionist apartheid regime? The so called 'State' of Israel was founded on terrorism and lives by terrorism.

By the way I visited Auschwitz and cried in the 'Hall of Hair' ie the remains of the victims of the Nazis. I cannot believe that Nazi-like atrocities can now be visited upon the Palestinians.
 
 
0 # stannadel 2012-11-17 04:53
Then wake up to reality. Israeli crimes may be real enough, but there is no comparison with those of the Nazis. Gaza=Warsaw Ghetto? How many Jews survived in the Warsaw Ghetto after 3 years? How many Palestinians survived in Gaza after 10 years? The answer is that the population in Gaza grew dramatically while the Warsaw Ghetto was wiped out. There is no comparison and to make it does indeed smack of either total ignorance or Antisemitism--t ake your pick.
 
 
+6 # goodsensecynic 2012-11-16 15:58
So, I guess threatening to attack Iran in the hope that Mr. Romney would win the US election was Plan "A".

Since Mr. Obama prevailed, it's on to attacking Gaza - Plan "B" ...
 
 
0 # Activista 2012-11-16 18:24
Before attacking Iran Israel needs to "secure" its occupation) borders with Iran and Syria - do not worry - Israel is set to attack Iran.
Right after Netanyahu reelection - with mandate fro "people of Israel".
 
 
+3 # womyn 2012-11-16 16:16
The US Government needs only to cut off the billion$ in foreign aid and weapons of mass destruction to Israel to stop this impending war.

Israel has over 300 nuclear bombs!!!
Israel, US, India, Pakistan, China, North Korea, Australia, England are judy some of the countries with nuclear bombs!

What's the fuss with Israel and US and their push for war against Iran??? Its been proven by the UN Atomic Agency inspectors that Iran does NOT have nuclear bombs!
 
 
+3 # dawnbringer205 2012-11-16 17:24
Iran does have huge reserves of oil and gas, though.
 
 
0 # inpectore 2012-11-16 19:51
I would hate to see us invoved in defending Israel in any way.

I was in high school in 1948 when the Zionists invaded Palestine, yes Palestine. There was no Israel, and I think of it as Palestine. The press referred to it as the war in Palestine and today Israel. The Zionists were the terrorists and they drove the Palestinians from their land. Now they have penned them in on reservations as we did to the Native Americans.

For an understanding of the situation in Palestine I recommend Jimmy Carter’s book Palestine Peace Not Apartheid.
 
 
0 # The Voice of Reason 2012-11-17 00:48
You think of it as Palestine because Palestine has always been the enemy of God.
 
 
0 # David Starr 2012-11-19 15:40
@TVR: God has certainly shown to be jealous and vengeful. Two human flaws. Why is that?
 
 
+1 # The Voice of Reason 2012-11-20 10:03
God is also kind and forgiving to people who should, by all rights, be punished, and punished severely. This often tends to embolden enemies, but a few are grateful and try to be good.

Everything God does is for our benefit at the time. Think of it like this: if the sun were to come down to the earth, the earth would be consumed by the sun. But the sun comes down to the earth every day with its rays. The rays bring light and heat, without which we cannot live.

The sun is, in reality, a symbol of the Sun of Truth, and the rays of the sun are God's prophets, who bring us enlightenment and the heat of the love of God through their educative influence and teachings, according to the level of understanding current at the time.

But many people prefer to live according to their selfish desires and are prompted by vain imaginings of their greatness. Or they lust for leadership, like the ME Islamic leaders.
 
 
-1 # dkonstruction 2012-11-20 14:03
Quoting The Voice of Reason:
God is also kind and forgiving to people who should, by all rights, be punished, and punished severely. This often tends to embolden enemies, but a few are grateful and try to be good.

Everything God does is for our benefit at the time. Think of it like this: if the sun were to come down to the earth, the earth would be consumed by the sun. But the sun comes down to the earth every day with its rays. The rays bring light and heat, without which we cannot live.

The sun is, in reality, a symbol of the Sun of Truth, and the rays of the sun are God's prophets, who bring us enlightenment and the heat of the love of God through their educative influence and teachings, according to the level of understanding current at the time.

But many people prefer to live according to their selfish desires and are prompted by vain imaginings of their greatness. Or they lust for leadership, like the ME Islamic leaders.


and you of course know which of our (human) actions god approves of and which god does not?

So, i suppose you agreed with Jerry Falwell when he said that AIDS was god's punishment on homosexuals?
 
 
+3 # stannadel 2012-11-17 04:56
In 1948 the UN called for a division of Palestine, the Jews accepted the plan and the Arabs refused and tried to "drive the Jews into the sea." That's your "invasion."
 
 
+2 # wwway 2012-11-16 20:37
Israel is going full boar and no one will stop them. Jimmy Carter wrote in his book, Blood and Abraham, that there will never be a resolution until Israel is tired of waging war. I'm paraphrasing but every secretary of state and past president has basically said the same thing. The Arab world will forever be mad at the West. It's about Israel, stupid.
 
 
+2 # brux 2012-11-16 22:01
> The Arab world will forever be mad at the West. It's about Israel, stupid.

That does not explain why Muslims oppress every minority in their countries. If you are going to put forth an argument, even one so simple and ignorant as yours here ... it should explain that facts.

By the way, the expression is "full bore", not "full boar" as in the bore/caliber of a gun.
 
 
+1 # brux 2012-11-16 22:03
Perhaps the consequences of the world having to deal with a nuclear Iran in the FUTURE is that Israel is forced to deal with Iran's proxies harshly NOW instead of waiting for an unknown scenario where Iran can support, attack or control at will in the future without fear of reprisal due to a nuclear deterrence.

Israel may see its only strategy as getting rid of Hamas, and then Hezbollah, now, instead of waiting for Iran to get stronger and having to take them on all at once. If Iran develops nuclear weapons and has no soldiers in Israel's border states to attack their bombs may be moot.
 
 
-1 # tm7devils 2012-11-16 23:57
All the bloggers here who are siding with Israel are so grossly mis-, or, uninformed that it defies all reason. The only entity that surpasses them, in their lack of knowledge, is a fetus that hasn't seen the light of day.

Read Noam Chomsky's book 'Failed States'(especia lly Chapter 5) and the following recent blog of his:

http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/12635-noam-chomsky-my-visit-to-gaza-the-worlds-largest-open-air-prison

If those sources do not open your eyes...then nothing will.

By the way, he's Jewish and has lived in Israel, so giving him an antisemitic label won't stick.

I suggest you Wikipedia him first - he's no lightweight author or thinker.
 
 
+1 # DRU2012 2012-11-17 06:42
Sigh...First of all, if you want to get right down to it, this is a "family squabble" going back about 5,000 years to Abraham...As for "who was there first", well, the archaeological record at LEAST supports a LONG history of changing ownership. Whatever YOU happen to think of the Zionist claim, the world would NOT likely have "green-lighted" "partitioning" had not they all had a collective case of post WWII global-guilt-co mplex at the Holocaust at the very least "turning a blind eye" while it was happening. Anyway, as these things usually work (see "All of North America and The Aboriginal Claim"), once you've got a fait accompli, it's a matter of "the strong survive"...and you can't blame the Tribes of David for assuming the worst, after the last 5,000 yrs. of history, and making DAMN sure the are on the right side of THAT equation this time. I certainly don't--though they would be wise to make SOME kind of accommodation with the moderate majority (the great bulk of ANY population will, minus propaganda and provocation, ALWAYS support "Peace") of a people who THEMSELVES aren't going away. This is something moderate elements among their OWN political forces have tried to empower and negotiate with, but cynical byplay between extremist elements on BOTH sides have used each OTHER to win and hold power...
 
 
+1 # DRU2012 2012-11-17 06:44
(Cont.)...Now: When I hear others who are not a member of EITHER group pushing the POV of one or the other extreme, I can but suspect more meddling political manipulation by supporters of one puppet-master or another, each playing the dangerous game of confrontational politics in a long-standing, "low intensity Proxy War"--one that, especially with as nuclear Iran--now led by a crazy bunch of religious fanatics who harbor that always terrible certainty that they are right and "What would be so bad about God's Ultimate Judgment, ANYWAY, since WE are the ELECT?!!!"--has been added to what was already a teetering balance...
 
 
+1 # DRU2012 2012-11-17 06:52
...OR, to put it still another way (with apologies to the spirit-of-Phil Ochs)
"To the victors go the ashes of the spoils..."
 

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