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Intro: "Barack Obama has said he wants to launch a nationwide campaign to try to over turn Citizens United."

The Citizens United comments were the most pointed of Obama's remarks on Reddit (photo: Twitter)
The Citizens United comments were the most pointed of Obama's remarks on Reddit (photo: Twitter)


Obama Wants to See Citizens United Supreme Court Ruling Overturned

By Ed Pilkington, Guardian UK

30 August 12

 

In Reddit chat, president bypasses media to answer wide-ranging questions put forth by surprised internet users.

arack Obama has said he wants to launch a nationwide campaign to try to over turn Citizens United, the controversial 2010 supreme court ruling that allowed massive sums of corporate cash to flood the electoral process.

The president made his remarks in the middle of a chat with the internet community Reddit. He told the site's users: "Over the longer term, I think we need to seriously consider mobilizing a constitutional amendment process to overturn Citizens United (assuming the Supreme Court doesn't revisit it)."

Obama's suggestion that he might confront the issue of corporate money in politics head on is a reflection of how seriously Democrats are taking the huge surge in private funding in the 2012 election cycle. A handful of conservative billionaires have been pumping in tens of millions of dollars to saturate media markets in vital swing states.

The idea of overturning Citizens United through a constitutional amendment has been gaining steam in recent months. Such a move would be virtually impossible to achieve, as it would require ratification by two-thirds of the country's 50 states.

Obama acknowledged the difficulties, but argued that a push for an amendment would be valuable in itself. "Even if the amendment process falls short, it can shine a spotlight of the super-PAC phenomenon and help apply pressure for change."

The Citizens United comments were the most pointed of his remarks on Reddit. The web chat last about an hour, and was so popular with the community's millions of devotees that it brought the whole site crashing down.

"I Am Barack Obama, President of the United States," he began, following the protocol of Reddit's "AMA" chats almost laughably to the letter. For those lucky enough to be able to fight their way through the technical glitches, they were treated to a stream of Obama commentary on questions from the future of the web itself, to space travel and to the recipe of the newly brewed White House beer.

Lest anyone doubtrf that it was the real president tapping away at the keyboard, Reddit released a photo of Obama sitting at a computer, jacketless and with his top button undone.

"Internet freedom is something I know you all care passionately about; I do too," he wrote. "We will fight hard to make sure that the internet remains the open forum for everybody."

He said that his hardest decision in office had been to surge US forces in Afghanistan. "Any time you send our brave men and women into battle, you know that not everyone will come home safely, and that necessarily weighs heavily on you."

And he pledged to make sure "we stay at the forefront of space exploration... The passing of Neil Armstrong this week is a reminder of the inspiration and wonder that our space program has provided."

Obama's forthright comments on Citizens United were not replicated in other policy areas, however. He incurred the wrath of some Reddit members by choosing to ignore their questions about his use of drones to assassinate terrorist suspects abroad, as well as other hot-button Reddit issues such as the on-going war on drugs or Guantanamo.

He also incurred the wrath of those desperate to find out the recipe of the White House home-brewed Honey Ale. "It will be out soon!" was all he would say, though he did add: "I can tell from first hand experience, it is tasty."


 

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+12 # universlman 2012-08-30 06:52
Selling a lie as if it is truth is the focus of most candidates during elections. This is what the Citizens United ruling has brought us to.

Truth is no gold standard if it can be hammered to bits by the highest bidder on TV.
 
 
+11 # jon 2012-08-30 08:05
Mr. President, I would like to say, Sir: It's about time !!
 
 
+11 # savagem13 2012-08-30 08:23
Quoting jon:
Mr. President, I would like to say, Sir: It's about time !!



He hasn't done anything yet. Talk is cheap--especial ly during a campaign. Let's see some action, Mr. President!
 
 
+16 # maddave 2012-08-30 09:21
Not only is it "about time" that we rolling back Citizens United (CU), it is OVERDUE! In addition to rescinding CU, we m must ban ALL private and corporate money from our electoral process; implement federal financed elections AND enact stringent laws (with severe penalties) prohibiting legislators and ranking legislative staff members from "peddling influence" on K Street for a full five years after leaving the government.

With the way that things stand now, We The People are victims of the Finest Government That Money Can Buy.
 
 
+4 # RLF 2012-08-30 12:03
It's a bunch of election year crapola! Obama has approved nothing but supply side trickle on you economics and only apointed right wing types that want election financing for only the two major parties. A bunch of crap. The only real moves we've got from O. are right wing pro business BS. A little late to convince me now...I'm voting socialist.
 
 
+1 # alansearle 2012-08-30 08:23
This article is incorrect. Ratification of a proposed constitutional amendment requires approval by 3/4 of state legislatures, not 2/3.
 
 
+5 # guyachs 2012-08-30 08:51
alansearle, the 2/3 is correct for Congress. Here is the amendment:

Article V of the Constitution outlines how to amend (modify) the document. It consists of two steps: proposal and ratification.

1. Propose An Amendment
Either Congress or the States can propose an amendment ot the Constitution.
• Both Houses of Congress must propose the amendment with a two-thirds vote. This is how all current amendments have been offered.
• Two-thirds of the State legislatures must call on Congress to hold a Constitutional Convention.
2. Ratify An Admendment
Regardless of how the amendment is proposed, it must be ratified by the States.
• Three-fourths of the State legislatures must approve of the amendment proposed by Congress, or
• Three-fourths of the states must approve the amendment via ratifying conventions. This method has only been used once, to repeal Prohibition (21st Amendment).
 
 
+3 # SMoonz 2012-08-30 09:00
He talked about White House beer but ignored questions about drones, indefinite detention, Guantanamo...

I guess beer is more important.
 
 
0 # Regina 2012-08-30 11:41
You were expecting disclosure of "classified" information? The fact that the information you wished for is classified is an issue to be debated, but that won't be done on a chat line.
 
 
+4 # alansearle 2012-08-30 12:33
It certainly creates a better buzz.
 
 
+13 # dkonstruction 2012-08-30 09:34
When are progressives going to learn that you can 'regulate' all you want but the opposition will always just keep finding new ways around the legislation which is why congress and the regulatory agencies are always playing "catch up".

The only answer is fully publicly financed elections including demanding as part of their licensing agreements that private for-profit tv and radio stations (that get the use of the airwaves, which we own, for free) must provide an equal amount of free air time for all candidates.
 
 
+4 # amye 2012-08-30 09:47
If you look at the constitutional amendments that have been made in the past in this country, you will see that more than one passed easily with 2/3 vote of all states in less than a year!! Yep, its true!! And Not IMPOSSIBLE!!!
 
 
+1 # Regina 2012-08-30 11:44
So where's the ERA????? Last I've heard, we're 1 short of final ratification by 3/4 of the states, 38 required.
 
 
+2 # tswhiskers 2012-08-30 11:11
I'm so glad that one of the first things Obama wants to try to change is the Citizens United decision. This will surely go down as one of the Court's poorest decisions and it will be interesting to see how much support this amendment will get from the states and from individual citizens. The other thing the govt. needs to do ASAP if more Dems are voted in is to remove the majority 60 rule in the House. This has enabled the Reps. as a minority party to stifle every bit of legislation put forth by the Dems. We need desperately to get back to a simple majority rule in the House. If we can accomplish both then maybe the Reps. will be forced to legislate instead of obstruct.
 
 
+6 # wherefore 2012-08-30 12:58
"The other thing the govt. needs to do ASAP if more Dems are voted in is to remove the majority 60 rule in the House."
That is the Senate that you are referring to. And we don't need more Democrats in the Senate in order to get rid of the filibuster. They could get rid of it at any time by a majority vote. It is just a rule that the Senate made up a long time ago, ostensibly to protect the rights of the minority party, but that isn't what the Senate is for. It was created to protect the rights of the smaller STATES. Each state has two senators, regardless of population; in the Senate, each state of the UNITED STATES is equal to every other state. So it already protects the rights of the minority; the Constitution has nothing to do with political parties and everything to do with balancing the relative power of the states. (That is also the reason for the much-maligned Electoral College.) The filibuster distorts the purpose of the Senate under the Constitution.
 
 
+6 # tabonsell 2012-08-30 14:21
There is an alternative to a constitutional amendment and much easier to pass, should the Democrats take back control of Congress.

Just use congressional power to regulate international and interstate commerce to state that all money in a corporation or other business belongs either to the employees, whose labor earned it, or the shareholders, who own the company.

Make it a felony for a CEO or board of direcors to use money for any purpose not directly related to the core function of that business. Any expenditures for nonbusiness matter such as campaign "donations", lobbying or other must be approved by members of the group that the money comes from; that is the employees or the shareholders.

Such expenditures must specify the exact cause to be funded, whether it is a political party or candidate, and the exact amount of money sought. Any one who votes against this expenditure will get his/her share of the total in addition wages or dividends.

The Citizens United decision was not about free speech of a corporation because it only provided for the speech of an executive who uses money that isn't his. That should be theft.
 
 
+4 # futhark 2012-08-30 20:38
Hear! Hear! tobonsell! I've owned stock in various corporations over the years, but have never been consulted as to what political position that corporation ought to take relative to an issue or which candidate for office the corporation ought to endorse or support. The use of corporate funds for political purposes is a kind of embezzlement and ought rightly to be illegal.
 
 
+5 # NAVYVET 2012-08-30 14:55
A day late and a dollar short. Tell him to join the ongoing lawsuits.
 
 
+2 # brux 2012-08-31 19:37
Yeah and say something about it in the state of the union - and most importantly - DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT OBAMA !
 
 
+4 # michellewey 2012-08-30 18:09
I think it's great that he said it. We all know that he is as beholden to corporate money as much as any other high ranking politician, so it may be just an empty campaign promise to assuage the disillusioned progressive left who so often seem as eager to point out Obama's shortcomings as his enemies on the right. But still, it takes courage to speak a truth that goes against the powered money interests who control politics today. Ok. So, maybe the true motivation for this comment is the fact that Citizens United has allowed Republicans to outspend Democrats by an outrageous margin. Still, I applaud Obama for saying out loud that he wants to see it overturned. Imagine if all of the billions of dollars being poured down the campaign advertising hole, were actually being spent on healthcare, education, mortgage relief, infrastructure, alternative energy investment, debt reduction, etc... and the political debate actually functioned as a meaningful discussion on how to govern to the best interests of its people instead of the twisted shouting lies and propoganda we are force fed. Imagine what a better world we would be living in now. I am more certain than ever that even with all his faults and compromises, Obama is the best president we could hope to have in the White House today. And I do hope that Democrats will win the House and Senate too. I would rather protest bad Democratic policies than bad Republican policies.
 
 
+6 # ABen 2012-08-30 18:20
All thinking people should quit carping and push all elected officials for legislation to overturn or nullify Citizens United. This ill-conceived SCOTUS ruling is the greatest threat to our democracy since WWII.
 
 
0 # futhark 2012-08-30 20:30
Technical comment: I'm logged in now, but when I tried to log in using a link from my email, I was sent into the blank "Invalid Token" limbo again. My experience yesterday was that this problem had been resolved.
 
 
+1 # WolfTotem 2012-08-31 02:33
Corporations have neither bodies to be punished nor souls to be damned.
-mid 17th century proverb
 
 
-2 # indian weaver 2012-08-31 11:42
this obama is a lying coward blowing hot air with a smile, hasn't done jack sh..t since in office except lie and sell out. a loser but then again, that's what we get from now on, all two bit candidates and office holders sold out to big bucks. an opportunistic bullshitter again, no credibility, no integrity, no balls, never done jacks..t his entire life except say and do as he's told. needs to grow up but it's too late for that, will remain a big baby this lifetime, maybe will do better next time around, let's hope.
 
 
+1 # brux 2012-08-31 19:35
>> "Over the longer term, I think we need to seriously consider mobilizing a constitutional amendment process to overturn Citizens United (assuming the Supreme Court doesn't revisit it)."

Over the long term ??? This is and has been messing up the country for at least 20 years ... get on it Obama!
 

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