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McCormick reports: "President Barack Obama and Republican challenger Mitt Romney have spoken little about gun control in their campaigns for the White House and showed no sign of shifting course."

President Obama returns to the Oval Office after hearing of the shootings in Aurora, 07/20/12. (photo: Getty Images)
President Obama returns to the Oval Office after hearing of the shootings in Aurora, 07/20/12. (photo: Getty Images)



Obama Joins Romney in Gun-Control Silence After Shootings

By John McCormick, Bloomberg News

22 July 12

 

resident Barack Obama and Republican challenger Mitt Romney have spoken little about gun control in their campaigns for the White House and showed no sign of shifting course after one of the deadliest shootings in recent U.S. history.

"It's not one of the issues that either candidate has shown much inclination to discuss," Don Kettl, dean of the school of public policy at the University of Maryland, said. "There are more downside risks than upside gains in talking about it."

At least 12 people were killed and 59 were injured when a gunman in a gas mask opened fire early yesterday in a movie theater in Aurora, Colorado, according to a federal official who asked for anonymity. A suspect, James Holmes, 24, was taken into custody after the 12:30 a.m. attack in the Denver suburb.

Speaking yesterday in Fort Myers, Florida, Obama made no mention of gun control as he called for a moment of silence for the victims. The president canceled later campaign events, returned to Washington and ordered U.S. flags flown at half- staff at federal facilities. Romney, who as Massachusetts governor in 2004 signed legislation banning assault-style weapons, also sidestepped the gun issue in a speech in Bow, New Hampshire, calling the killings a "hateful act."

Arizona Shooting

Obama called on Americans to choose compassion over conflict following a January 2011 shooting rampage in Arizona that killed six, including a 9-year-old girl, and critically wounded U.S. Representative Gabrielle Giffords, who later stepped down from her House seat. He didn't push for any additional gun measures in the wake of that shooting.

Democrats became cautious about pushing gun control measures after Al Gore's defeat in the 2000 presidential election, which many in the party blamed in part on the issue. The then-head of the Democratic Party, Terry McAuliffe, encouraged candidates to avoid the gun issue because of its "devastating impact on elections."

Gun-control advocates have expressed disappointment in Obama's administration and said they hope he will be more aggressive on the issue should he win re-election. New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg yesterday called on Obama and Romney to tell Americans "specifically what are they going to do about guns?"

'Soothing Words'

"Soothing words are nice, but maybe it's time that the two people who want to be president of the United States stand up and tell us what they are going to do about it, because this is obviously a problem across the country," Bloomberg said in an interview on WOR Radio.

In an interview taped for broadcast tomorrow on CBS News's "Face the Nation," Bloomberg said it's time for Romney and Obama "to be called, held accountable," according to excerpts released by the network.

The mayor is founder and majority owner of Bloomberg News parent Bloomberg LP.

"The president believes that we need to take common-sense measures that protect Second Amendment rights of Americans, while ensuring that those who should not have guns under existing law do not get them," White House press secretary Jay Carney told reporters aboard Air Force One yesterday. "There has been progress in that regard in terms of improving the volume and quality of information in background checks."

Ads Halted

Andrea Saul, a Romney spokeswoman, said in a statement that the campaign planned to pull all ads in Colorado, a battleground state, "until further notice." Jen Psaki, a spokeswoman for Obama's re-election campaign, told reporters it temporarily won't run ads in Colorado that contrast the president with Romney.

In an April speech, Romney said he didn't want to see any new gun laws.

"We need a president who will enforce current laws, not create new ones that only serve to burden lawful gun owners," the presumptive Republican nominee said in an April 13 speech to a National Rifle Association convention in St. Louis.

"We need a president who will stand up for the rights of hunters, sportsmen and those who seek to protect their homes and their families," he said. "President Obama has not; I will."

Massachusetts Law

The legislation Romney signed into law in 2004 was passed by Massachusetts lawmakers to ban assault-style semiautomatic weapons as a federal prohibition was about to expire. Congress hasn't renewed that ban.

When he sought the Republican nomination before the 2008 election Romney defended that law, saying it also "provided for a relaxation of licensing requirements for gun owners in Massachusetts." He told NBC's "Meet the Press" on Dec. 16, 2007, that he favored laws to "keep weapons of unusual lethality from being on the street."

During that appearance, Romney said he also favored a background check for prospective gun purchases "to make sure that the crazies don't buy guns."

During his NRA speech this year, Romney suggested defeating Obama would help ensure the U.S. Supreme Court would continue to protect gun rights under the Constitution's Second Amendment.

"In his first term, we've seen this president try to browbeat the Supreme Court," Romney said. "In a second term, he would remake it. Our freedoms would be in the hands of an Obama court, not just for four years, but for the next 40. And we must not let that happen."

Key Constituency

The NRA represents a key constituency for Republicans, who are more likely to have guns in their homes than Democrats, 55 percent to 40 percent, according to a Gallup poll taken in October. The survey showed 47 percent of American adults have a firearm at home.

The NRA has approximately 4 million members, according to Stephanie Samford, a spokeswoman. Many are located in such election swing states as Florida and Ohio.

Kettl said the gun issue is "trickier" for Obama than Romney because "he is more likely to have a hard time appealing to working-class voters" who are more likely to own guns.

"He has to tiptoe that very fine line between expressing outrage" and not "derailing the themes he wants to get across," Kettl said.

During his failed bid for the 2008 Republican presidential nomination, Romney also discussed his hunting habits.

'Very Clear'

"I'm not a big-game hunter," he said in 2007. "I've made it very clear, I've always been a, if you will, a rodent and rabbit hunter, all right? Small, small varmints, if you will. And I began when I was, oh, 15 or so, and have hunted those kinds of varmints since then -- more than two times. I also hunted quail in Georgia, so I've -- it's not really big-game hunting, if you will, however. It's not deer and large animals. But I've hunted a number of times of various types of small rodents."

Saul said in April that Romney owns two shotguns.

Romney supported the so-called Brady Bill of 1993 that required licensed gun dealers to perform criminal background checks on buyers. He also backed a ban on certain assault weapons in a 1994 federal anti-crime bill.

As Massachusetts governor from 2003-2007, he also signed legislation that raised gun license fees from $25 to $100 to help close a state budget deficit, while also extending license durations to mitigate the increased cost, according to a Boston Globe report.

Romney, in his remarks yesterday, said "there will be justice for those responsible" for the Colorado shootings. "That's another matter for another day. Today is a moment to grieve."

 

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+12 # Scott479 2012-07-22 10:24
Leadership is not a virtue- skillfully delivered empty rhetoric is though, and allows you to connect with people just long enough to gain their trust and lift their votes.
 
 
+5 # HowardMH 2012-07-23 06:58
Totally agree Scott and the millions of Stupid People just keep buying it over and over and over again.

It is all about the magazines and I’m not talking about Playboy magazine.

Obama the Wimp would not renew the Assault Weapons law. Who – Who – Who - needs a magazine that holds 20, 30, 50 or 100 shells? It is the Idiots, Terrorists, Stupid People, Republicans, and the NRA who is making Millions from the stupid people. The NRA has bought all the Republicans and most of the Cowardly Democrats. It is not about having guns, and the 2nd amendment, it is all about the large magazines.
The NRA has done a fantastic job of scaring the Stupid People that their 2nd Amendment Rights are being taken away just because they can’t have magazines with 20, 30, 50 or 100 shells.
 
 
+7 # ronnewmexico 2012-07-22 10:42
Obama is acting characteristica lly in this matter....it would require disallowing the potential for negative political fallout to take a stand.

A stand is clearly called for.....a return to the clinton era laws allowed to expire in 04..

I will vote for him there is really not a choice..but all you supporters of him...like Al Gore supporting the retention of Elian Gonzales in Miami before the election.....th is is what he is....first is getting elected priority one...all else to include necessary moral stance to prevent unnecessary deaths(return to good gun control)....is secondary to that.

A monster....he is a monster become.
The other is a monster as well...so we must vote the lesser of two evils.
 
 
+1 # Todd Williams 2012-07-22 12:53
Don't buy into that bull at all. O is not lesser of two evils. He is a fine president and a heavy counterpunch to the Rethugs and Lord Romney. Of course he has to be relected to do any good. How would getting defeated help the liberal agenda? Answer that one if you can!
 
 
+8 # paulrevere 2012-07-22 15:56
There is no 'liberal agenda' on his radar.

Stop being naive...

ALL of his weakkneed missives aimed at the left have be fakeouts and toothless.
 
 
+9 # Gevurah 2012-07-22 12:56
That's who I always end up voting for: The lesser of two evils.

Maybe Obama will grow a pair if re-elected.
But his criminal support of Bush's "extraordinary rendition" = exporting suspects to countries where they will be tortured, will forever tarnish hislegacy.
Not to mention his endorsement of spying on Americans in their homes, offices, and on their computers.

Not to mention FBI busting into innocent people's homes in the middle of the night, tossing the place, scaring women and children -- for WHAT????
 
 
+5 # mdhome 2012-07-22 14:38
Not to mention FBI busting into innocent people's homes in the middle of the night, tossing the place, scaring women and children -- for WHAT????

That has been the way the FBI and the ATF has operated for quite some time prior to Obama being elected.
 
 
+5 # paulrevere 2012-07-22 16:01
...not to mention targeting and killing US citizens...not to mention wholesale slaughter of drone stalked and exploded innocents...not to mention unconscionable oppression of protestors and whistleblowers. ..not to mention Bradley Manning...not to mention Don Siegelman...not to mention slamming shut medical marijuana...ple ase stop the wishin' n hopin' and maybe he'll change delusions...PLE ASE??!!
 
 
0 # Johnny 2012-07-23 17:59
What do you expect? The president, himself, is a psychopathic mass murderer. Have you never heard of Palestine, Somalia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Yemen--etc. where the Commander in Chief has mercenaries 7 thousand miles from their homes murdering the natives in their own homes?
 
 
-38 # skylinefirepest 2012-07-22 10:50
Another "informed comment" from a liberal gun hater? C'mon people...becaus e a crazy used a gun for a criminal purpose doesn't need a call for more gun control on the law abiding. If you don't like guns by all means DON'T BUY ONE!! But if you mean to break into my home or threaten one of my family members you better hope you're bulletproof!! Doesn't anyone in RSN do any research before making stupid comments about guns?? GUNS SAVE LIVES! Don't believe it? Ask a cop! Better be one that you personally know though, because otherwise you'll get the "politically correct" answer. I CARRY A GUN BECAUSE A COP IS TOO HEAVY!
 
 
+19 # Regina 2012-07-22 11:31
And of course you need 100 bullets in one pull of the trigger to feel safe. And you need a military rifle to shoot that whole round off in a couple of seconds. Just ask the Aurora (alleged) perp.
 
 
+27 # elmont 2012-07-22 11:49
Quoting skylinefirepest:
Another "informed comment" from a liberal gun hater? C'mon people...because a crazy used a gun for a criminal purpose doesn't need a call for more gun control on the law abiding. If you don't like guns by all means DON'T BUY ONE!! But if you mean to break into my home or threaten one of my family members you better hope you're bulletproof!! Doesn't anyone in RSN do any research before making stupid comments about guns?? GUNS SAVE LIVES! Don't believe it? Ask a cop! Better be one that you personally know though, because otherwise you'll get the "politically correct" answer. I CARRY A GUN BECAUSE A COP IS TOO HEAVY!

What nonsense. We are the most heavily armed populace on the planet, by far. If toting guns saved lives, we'd have virtually no gun deaths in the U.S. Instead, we lead the world (not counting Syria, perhaps) in firearm deaths. If you want to argue that an astonishing gun-related death rate is a fair price to pay for the right of every lunatic to carry Uzis, well, have at it. But spare us this suggestion that it's good for me--it isn't.
 
 
+24 # Phlippinout 2012-07-22 14:41
Perhaps you are misinformed, I know many gun lovers that support the ban of assault weapons. Any claim that assault weapons are needed are a bunch of crap and pure propaganda. You dont need an assault weapon to protect your home. The claim that it is liberals who are the problem is bull! Please, ask a cop, they hate assault weapons in the general public. Your right wing politics have nothing to do with common sense. Now when I see NRA bumper stickers, I know who the enemy is. It is the NRA that keeps us in danger with its stupid aryan lobby and extreme fear of brown people. It is white men that are killing us in safe places. It is white males that order tons of ammo on line. If a brown man ordered a hundred pounds of ammo in the mail, the FBI would have already been all over it. Yes I know, its a hard fact to look at but so very true.
 
 
+3 # newsmom 2012-07-22 19:06
Quoting fightback:
Perhaps you are misinformed, I know many gun lovers that support the ban of assault weapons. Any claim that assault weapons are needed are a bunch of crap and pure propaganda. You dont need an assault weapon to protect your home. The claim that it is liberals who are the problem is bull! Please, ask a cop, they hate assault weapons in the general public. Your right wing politics have nothing to do with common sense. Now when I see NRA bumper stickers, I know who the enemy is. It is the NRA that keeps us in danger with its stupid aryan lobby and extreme fear of brown people. It is white men that are killing us in safe places. It is white males that order tons of ammo on line. If a brown man ordered a hundred pounds of ammo in the mail, the FBI would have already been all over it. Yes I know, its a hard fact to look at but so very true.


so help me out here: is wayne lapierre representative of most NRA members, or is he just the loudmouth sociopath who purports to speak for all members? and if you dropped out because of the support of assault weapons in the hands of civilians, why don't more of you ex-members speak out?
 
 
-4 # skylinefirepest 2012-07-22 19:43
Simply not true, fightback. Your so called assault rifle is a semi-auto rifle...perhaps you don't like it because it looks externally like the M16 but you can get over it if you try. The AR 15 platform is one of the most popular firearms in the United States today...there are MILLIONS in private hands. "Ask a cop, they hate assault weapons??" You've got to be kidding me. I've worked with the finest for over twenty three years and it is the RARE exception for a cop to talk trash about the AR. In fact a gracious number of cops carry the full-auto version ( M16 ) in their squads.
 
 
+22 # Brooklyn Girl 2012-07-22 14:52
Oh, give me a break. I am sick and tired of paranoids like you dominating the debate. Since when should it be legal to have an assault rifle? And if you are so worried about someone breaking into your house, GET AN ALARM SYSTEM.
 
 
-11 # skylinefirepest 2012-07-22 19:46
Ok girl, what's gonna happen when the alarm goes off? Got ANY IDEA how long the average response is for your town? Have you any idea how little time it takes for a varmint to get into your house and do whatever he wants with you?? I didn't think so!
 
 
-5 # LML 2012-07-22 19:50
And how about, if you don;t like abortion by all means DON'T HAVE ONE!!
 
 
+14 # universlman 2012-07-22 10:51
Along with the discussion over universal health care and clean coal, if the candidates agree about the topic, whether or not the issue begs for discussion. . . . the topic just slides "off the table." This is just the nature of a "Two Party System,"

Will the current two parties opt for a third or forth anytime soon? I doubt it.
 
 
+19 # Interested Observer 2012-07-22 10:56
Gun control is a non-starter in America. Like it or not Obama has to pick his fights carefully.
 
 
+16 # MidwestTom 2012-07-22 10:58
Nobody wants to make light of what happened in Colorado, but several days earlier when two thieves with guns entered an Internet Cafe in Florida an armed 71 year old customer shot them both and may have saved lives with his gun. I think that the one of the amazing things about the theater shooter is that as wacky as he appears to have been, surely someone had to notice that he was not normal. Can anybody go buy body armor? I would think that we should want to know why someone wants body armor almost more so than guns.
 
 
+6 # Todd Williams 2012-07-22 12:56
I thought you had to be a law enforcement officer to buy body armor. Guess any nutcase can go online and buy the stuff. Whodathunkit?
 
 
+5 # Glen 2012-07-22 13:11
As it happens, Midwest Tom, this guy was in costume as other theater goers were, representing characters in the movie. He went in through an exit door, showed up, threw smoke or whatever type of "bombs" and then began shooting. It wasn't possible to recognize the fellow had on body armor.
 
 
-25 # Michael_K 2012-07-22 11:00
OK, I realise this is highly politically "incorrect" and will have certain people howling like banshees... but do you think that Colorado gunman could have kept on shooting so many people for so long.. if a dozen or more people in that movie theatre had been armed, with concealed carry permits?

No.. I guess that would just be unacceptable. Far better to wait for "responsible" people to show up with badges to handle the situation.

I don't personally own a gun of any kind, but I'm glad my neighbours do, and hope they'd lend me 1 or 2, come the revolution.
 
 
+25 # Todd Williams 2012-07-22 12:59
I've heard this NRA-sponsored line so many times I can puke. "If only someone with a concealed carry permit had been there this would have been prevented." Baloney, my friends. This man was heavily armed with heavy body armor. You're gonna tell me a weekend warrior with a concealed pistol was gonna take this dude down? How about collateral damage? Acceptable? Geeze, these permit holders with their Glocks are NOT trained to take down heavily armed and armored gunmen in a shootout. Let's get real.
 
 
+13 # rsnfan 2012-07-22 13:20
Was the theatre dark at the time? What if someone would have pulled a gun and fired, are you sure he would have hit the shooter?
 
 
+8 # paulrevere 2012-07-22 15:03
The ONLY upshot of 'a dozen or more people...armed in that theater' would have been a fire fight...wtf do you know about the adrenalin and emotions going on when under fire??

Just imagine a dozen frenetic Glocks going off, in the dark, with no real way to ident the shooter after the first shots from others...

If you've EVER had your life in danger, for REAL, as in you are about to die or could easily die in the next few moments, you would know that panic and indiscriminant action is the rule...ask any TRAINED cop or soldier about being under fire...ya don't think all that clearly...Rambo and John McClane are big screen fantacies.
 
 
+2 # sandyclaws 2012-07-23 04:23
Okay Michael K, say you were in that theater and someone started shooting, and then someone else... and then someone else...so tell me, who would you be shooting at? Don't forget, you might be mistaken for a bad guy as well and maybe they will all start shooting at you! You know, all cops don't wear flourescent orange hats and neither do you. So again who do you shoot at? And, how do you feel later when you find out you killed some innocent just before you expire from gunshot wounds yourself? I own guns and participate constantly in competitions. I hope to God I never end up where I have to shoot somebody, like the axiom says: Be sure of your target! By the way Michael, I would never loan a gun to somebody that knows nothing about guns like you,who doesn't own one and know how and when to use one.
 
 
+21 # newsmom 2012-07-22 11:16
oh, for just one moment when someone would inject our president with sufficient spine to face down NRA sociopaths. i want him re-elected, especially given the option, but would be overjoyed beyond description if someone in obama's inner circle could convince him to tear to shreds the gun lobby's specious arguments for allowing assault weapons into the hands of civilians. where, in the name of all that's rational,is the courage it takes to support cops across the country who are increasingly feeling outgunned? the silence from both camps is deafening. and maddening.
 
 
+14 # fettenberg 2012-07-22 11:33
It's pretty disgusting how both the presidential candidates put politics and war-making ahead of humanism and peace-making. I was once a Democrat but Obama's mealy-mouthed and chamelion's approach on this issue and others sends his constituents the wrong signals and also continues to conceal his asiduous and covert creation of a police state.
 
 
+4 # Todd Williams 2012-07-22 13:01
So let me ask, what are you since you're not a Dem? Rethug? TPer? Greens? Not a voter? Gave up on America? Just curious.
 
 
+7 # John Locke 2012-07-22 15:09
Todd Williams Why does one have to be affiliated with a party? can't one just be an independent voter?
 
 
0 # Johnny 2012-07-23 17:49
A global super-rich elite had at least $21 trillion (£13tn) hidden in secret tax havens by the end of 2010, according to a major study.
The figure is equivalent to the size of the US and Japanese economies combined.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18944097
http://www.infowars.com/tax-havens-super-rich-hiding-at-least-21tn/

Hey, I don't want to hear about it. Let's argue about "gun control," instead!
 
 
+2 # fotografx 2012-07-22 11:37
You cannot blame any politician today for avoiding the gun issue. It's not just the NRA, because it is pointless to regulate guns in America when millions have beens sold to Americans every year for a long, long time. America is so heavily armed no amount of control wold make any difference, Even in countries where guns re controlled, mass murders still occur.
 
 
+21 # Rich Austin 2012-07-22 11:39
Darcy Burner, candidate for Congress in Washington’s 1st Congressional District had this to say:

“It's time we had an adult conversation in this country about guns.”

“...we have not had a real conversation about guns in many, many years. The National Rifle Association (NRA) threatens the career of any politician who so much as opens the conversation.

“...our country has not discussed assault weapons – which have no use except killing large numbers of people...”

“We have not discussed the fact that anyone can buy a gun at a gun show without any background check, even if they have a history of criminal violence.”

“ We have not discussed the expiration of the ban on large clips, which allow shooters to kill more people in a shorter time because they don’t have to reload.”

“ We have not discussed what a sensible, rational approach to regulating guns in our country might be.”

“Enough.”

“It’s time we took steps to stop the mass killings.”

“It’s time we had an adult conversation about guns in this country. The NRA can go to hell.”

Thank you Darcy for telling it like it is.

I am supporting Darcy.

We need people like her in Congress. I hope Obama and Romney take heed of her message.

Send Darcy a campaign contribution.

And to hell with the NRA.
 
 
+12 # mdhome 2012-07-22 15:24
Many years ago I was a member of the NRA, I stopped being a member when I saw they were so crazy about 39 rounds of ammo in a gun, there is no way anyone needs to have something like that You are in need of some target practice at the gun range if you can't take down your deer with 1 or at most 2 shots. These assault weapons have no place in civilian hands, and don't tell me you are going to overthrow the government.
 
 
+21 # jcostello 2012-07-22 11:45
Had the shooter not had an assault rifle, deaths and casualties might have been less. The assault weapons ban should be reinstated. This is a common sense approach. People could still purchase pistols, shotguns, etc.
 
 
+2 # ronnewmexico 2012-07-22 11:58
He could take a stand..peoples would respect him for it.....peoples don't care as much of your view as that you are a person who stands for a view justifiably held.....


it is a severe political miscalculation. Reagan serves as example of this political fact.....much badly wrongly held others did not agree with..but it was perceived honestly held.

His team as did gores years ago..they do not understand the american psyche. So they suffer.
Obama say this....we must restate the clinton era laws in this regard...say it......

Geeze louise..... the environment of the political the restricted nature of it makes thinking after a while impossible for those in its webs. Surrounded only by adherents to the status quo and the affirmative yes men....they can never ever take a real stand...it becomes impossible....
 
 
+12 # Dean 2012-07-22 12:04
The most exasperating defense that pro-gunners use is that of self-defense.

How frequently would even an experienced gun-user find himself able to quickly have a loaded gun in his hand, ready to shoot it out with an intruder to his home, or even in a crowded theatre? Guns are supposed to be unloaded so that irresponsible people or children cannot access them, right? In a pressing situation, how dependable is this so-called readiness? I'll opt for a non-aggressive response, and if possible, a guick escape.
 
 
+10 # walt 2012-07-22 12:11
This is a classic example of what's wrong with our two parties and electoral process. Saying the right thing means nothing. Taking the politically safe path to election is more important!

What a shameful system!
 
 
+3 # indianfirst 2012-07-22 12:16
The gun manufacturing industry in the U.S. represents over 40% of the world's production. That lobby weighs heavily on the candidates, with help from the NRA. Individual choice of whether to have a gun or not do not really come into the discussion. The big voices count the most and they say, "let's keep making and selling arms."

We can talk about defending our homes or hunting or the 2nd Amendment but without the big arms manufacturers, there would be no national discourse.

This is bigger than the political parties. A big national effort is needed to counteract all that power. We are going over the waterfall so it is time to grab for some tree roots to save some of us. Better gun laws are supported by the police, by and large. They don't want to go out and get shot, either, and they have bulletproof wear on.

The Fraternal Order of Police say 85% of agencies reported forced reductions while the number of police shot last year spiked to 173. A Republican administration will continue the pinch on local law enforcement through budget cuts.
 
 
+4 # lamancha 2012-07-22 12:25
There are a untold reasons to outlaw guns - only the plurality of Americans are too "dumb-struck" to understand. The 2nd amendment that the NRA cites to force massive weapons upon us is so flawed as to be sickening. Read the amendment repeatedly - it states, in a single paragraph: "a well regulated militia" as the SUBJECT of the amendment. The word "people" added on later is merely a metaphor or synonym for the military. Yet the NRA has for years hoodwinked the public to believing that ordinary citizens have the same rights to ownershp as our "well regulated militia" ( our armed forces ). What hogwash!
RSN has cited 58 gun murders in Britain (a country with strong gun control)all of last year, while this country - almost 9000! Do we want to stop the wanton death and untold grief that grips our country or do we want to finally put an end to, or strictly limit, the vast power of the NRA, which has both parties shuddering because of its capital donations & fear-mongering?
And IF we believe that an ordered, civilized nation must enact laws for the "common good" - and if that common good is severely compromised because of the murder of thousand of its' citizens yearly, then it must restrict the weapons that cause the bloodshed. For to yield to the common good and enjoy the projections that a nation like ours bestows, we must give up the destructive "toys" that cripple and maim our society.
 
 
+3 # Regina 2012-07-22 14:35
Gun and ammo proliferation appear to be the Republican method of population control, since they don't abide birth control. Don't eliminate mergers of cells, just expose whole people to armed maniacs every now and then. Yes, when sanity fails, try sarcasm.
 
 
0 # Johnny 2012-07-23 17:44
Actually, "a well regulated militia" refers to the military organizations of the several states. They were seen as a check against federal government tyranny. The founders of our country did not trust a strong federal government, and knew well that a federal "standing army" would be the end of our liberties. PATRIOT Act, Military Commissions Act, Real ID Act, AEDPA, and similar legislation stripping the law of habeas corpus, right to trial by jury (in fact, right to trial at all!) government kidnapping and murder of citizens, all prove that the founders were right.
 
 
+12 # Blue Eyed Soul 2012-07-22 13:29
The only thing for certain is that unless serious gun control is enacted, shootings such as what happened in Aurora will happen again. And again. And again. And again....
 
 
+2 # Saberoff 2012-07-22 16:10
So, are we supposed to be good about it, as BOTH of our sides have spoken (not)?
The president believes in “improving the volume and quality of information in background checks" but this guy had no history; the guns were obtained legally. Kid’s just another schizophrenic American wondering where he fits in, and you can like it or not, they’re (we’re) all over and growing.
The president versus Romney: What the hell does it matter what they say? When they’re elected they do whatever the money wants anyway.
I’m having a hard time following it: so, do we have to put up with four years of murder for a measure of redemption (in the next four)?
Obama sure is going to be busy “…should he win re-election.”
It’s what the voters (more crazies) want!
God forbid anyone messes with our “right” to kill stuff.
 
 
0 # Rain17 2012-07-22 16:10
I am no supporter of the NRA and personally would never own a gun, but I strongly support second amendment rights. In many locations and cities, especially in high-crime areas, the police are unwilling and/or unable to do their job. It is fundamentally a civil rights issue for me. People have the right to self-defense and to protect their own property.

I fully support background checks and screening to ensure that those with criminal records and psychological problems don't have easy access to weapons, but I believe that people a fundamental right to bear arms. I don't think that gun control is the solution.

I used to be pro-gun control until I realized that some people live in communities where the police can't or won't do their jobs. People have a right to protect their own homes.
 
 
+3 # RHytonen 2012-07-22 21:05
I was all for gun control of the strictest kind when I lived in cities.

-that is, until Nixon and Kent State, until I retired to a dead Appalachian town (except for meth labs,) with ONE cop who doesn't even live or spend every day here, and where there are poisonous reptiles and nightly attacks by packs of coyotes; and in an era when even in the cities the police state's NYPD and OPD are violently attacking citizens (using the weapons THEIR taxes bought!) for exercising their OTHER, much more clearly defined constitutional rights of dissent and assembly.

So now I'm a gun-owning Progressive Liberal, doing more than just waiting for the chance to vote for an Elizabeth Warren for President - or the inevitable alternative of a French- or Blair Mountain- style revolution, which I've known was coming since Reagan broke PATCO.
But the NRA, MIC, PIC,Energy Corps, WS Banks, Durable Corporations, and all other corporatist ALEC-style "lobbyists" have to go; no matter what or how.

We desperately need an avowed "ANTI-BUSINESS" government to protect the individual and STOP helping business in its agenda of "PLUNDER"(cf: Bastiat).

Government was formed to protect the individual FROM such power- not to support and protect it. Mussolini coined a term describing that - and though we fought it in the 30's & 40's, it's what we now tolerate in America. Shame.
 
 
+11 # Doggone 2012-07-22 16:18
The NRA is the biggest Bully in America and everyone is afraid of offending the creeps!!
 
 
+14 # 22dragon 2012-07-22 16:24
Ten years ago I lost my best friend, a healer, to mad-gunfire. Two burglers entered the home of her son, who pulled a gun on the intruders, who pulled their guns and shot her son thru the heart (he somehow survived, and his mother was killed. I can carry a gun, but I have no idea how to use it. I trust my wiles more than a gun in a crisis situation, and working in some of the most dangerous neighborhoods in our country of the past fifty years, I have more than survived. I have helped others survive. Non-violent response saves lives. Period.
 
 
0 # wwway 2012-07-22 18:13
It's not going to matter what Obama or Romney says the NRA will pounce all over it pro or con. Within hours NRA politicians were supporting their visionary support of a wild wild west shootout in the theater. I think that's all good people need to hear to notice that these law makers don't mind the idea that folks should have guns and not be responsible citizens in that ownership.
 
 
0 # Texas Aggie 2012-07-22 18:32
I have this fantasy about a reporter questioning Obama about why he doesn't support gun control given this latest development. Obama gets angry and asks the reporter how much the American population cares about the people being killed in relation to their love affair with weapons. What it would take to convince Americans that having heavy weaponry freely available is not a good idea.

When the reporter can convince people that letting people buy assault weapons or rapid fire weapons or 6,000 rounds of ammunition is a very bad idea, then get back to Obama. Until then, he needs to ask the American voter how they feel about any limits whatsoever on their ability to blow away anyone they feel like.

To get an idea of what people feel, see what Michael_K and John Locke have said about gun control on this and other occasions.
 
 
+1 # jwb110 2012-07-22 21:39
"Soothing words are nice, but maybe it's time that the two people who want to be president of the United States stand up and tell us what they are going to do about it, because this is obviously a problem across the country," Bloomberg said in an interview on WOR Radio.

Let Bloomberg handle the gun problem in his city. If Bloomberg wants to take on the 2nd Amendment, let him do it personally. His statement couldn't be more self serving and politically motivated. He no more needs to be quoted in this issue than Bart Simson.
 
 
+2 # xflowers 2012-07-23 05:32
Both candidates are quiet because the NRA is holding a gun to their heads. Bloomberg can speak freely because the NRA has much less influence over NYC residents who see no virtue in residents armed to the teeth. The truth is pretty transparent unless you are wearing blinders.
 
 
0 # Johnny 2012-07-23 17:18
"Gun control": an argument designed to take the mind of the idiot masses off the mass murder of men, women, and children by US government-issu ed guns--and other weapons--in Southwest Asia, North Africa, and the Middle East. Hypocrisy?
 

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