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Intro: "Kapolei, Hawaii - President Barack Obama says the interrogation technique known as waterboarding constitutes torturing, disputing Republican presidential candidates who say they would reinstate the practice."

President Barack Obama listens intently at the Nobel Peace Prize award ceremony in Oslo Norway, 12/10/09. (photo: Susan Walsh/AP)
President Barack Obama listens intently at the Nobel Peace Prize award ceremony in Oslo Norway, 12/10/09. (photo: Susan Walsh/AP)



Obama: Waterboarding Is Torture

By Associated Press

14 November 11

 

apolei, Hawaii - President Barack Obama says the interrogation technique known as waterboarding constitutes torturing, disputing Republican presidential candidates who say they would reinstate the practice.

Obama called waterboarding "torture" and said it was "contrary to America's traditions" during a news conference at the Asian-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit.

Republicans Herman Cain and Michele Bachmann said during a Republican debate on Saturday that they would reinstate the technique that former President George W. Bush authorized and Obama banned.

The practice simulates drowning and is viewed as torture by many.

 

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+8 # Activista 2011-11-14 11:48
Obama vows to foil Iran nuke effort
The president says sanctions are having a big impact, but all options remain on the table -
translated - War Criminal Obama with Israel will bomb Iran -
Get ALL US military from the Middle East - militarism is costing 1.3 trillion/year
 
 
+29 # oiseau 2011-11-14 12:19
Flash RSN--Waterboard ing does not "simulate" drowning it IS drowning albeit in an controlled fashion.

Waterboarding is torture. The US has said it is and prosecuted and imprisoned perpetrators for this crime.

If the freak show called the republican party really thinks torture is an American ideal, let alone effective then we are in some pretty deep do do.
 
 
+8 # KittatinyHawk 2011-11-14 15:24
When will we start looking at the tortures now going on...this was one brought to our attention. History proves how many tortures we have, nowadays we have perfected it with drugs, viruses etc.
Man likes to kill, likes to torture...


Time for next debate perhaps they could show us how to waterboard by using the technique on themselves for all to see. If they do not know how to do it I am sure Papa Bush can show them and of course, Cheney I believe Cain and Bachman have agreed it is fine, so they go first, with boehner next for grins.
In fact I think the Congress should experience the situation, but they would probably like it. Esp TP
 
 
+28 # MainStreetMentor 2011-11-14 12:54
If waterboarding is torture (and I believe it is!) ... then, Mr. President, how about prosecuting former President George W. Bush and former Vice President Richard "Dick" Cheney for instituting the procedure/proce ss? These two former elected politians (notice I did not refer to them as "public servants - for they most definitely did NOT serve the public), need to be brought up on charges, prosecuted, and if found guilty, be punished to the fullest extent of the law. How 'bout it, Mr. President?
 
 
+5 # Bluesguy 2011-11-14 13:46
Obama and his AG, Eric PlaceHolder, are waiting for the statute of limitations to expire; then they will throw up their hands and vomit forth shameful platitudes.Ther e is no statute of l. for capital crimes; perhaps the torture/renditi on can be shown to have caused deaths/capital crimes.
Bush and Cheney are not long for this country anyway; Bush has his gigantic estate over a large aquifer in Paraguay (remember when jenna + sis were found to be down there, seeing real estate firm -lost purse?) anyway, Rev Moon purchased a similar estate adjacent to the grinning sociopath; Moon's is over one of the largest nat'l gas fields in this hemisphere-we have no extradition treaty with Paraguay.
These elite creatures do not need us --closing your bank account? haha- they will probably use that excuse to let BoA fail, thereby dumping all those debts on the rest of us that were recently ALLOWED to be brought back under FDIC umbrella.

The rich have their plans in place; but eventually they will suffer the same (or worse, hopefully) as those they look down on and abuse today.
 
 
+4 # KittatinyHawk 2011-11-14 15:27
Perhaps the People of Paraguay have other ideas for their land than allowing these to live there.
Owning land in foreign Country is about as good as document on sale right now for Brooklyn Bridge.
Wait, Countries will be taking back these deeds.
 
 
+6 # AndreM5 2011-11-14 15:43
There is NO statute of limitations on war crimes. NONE!
 
 
+2 # KittatinyHawk 2011-11-14 15:24
Papa Bush also
 
 
0 # chick 2011-11-14 22:54
With our Supreme Court on the side of Bush and Cheney, they would declare this unlawful.

It would be futile and costly and years to boot. I wish they could be, because they are criminals, however again I say the Supreme Court would go on their side.
 
 
0 # Bluesguy 2011-11-15 00:13
In THIS fight, in THIS time, even if he is going to lose, he MUST fight, and do so OPENLY and TRUTHFULLY; the opportunities to do so are so few, and shrinking-yes, I am talking to Obama; he also needs to say STOP beating up/assaulting citizens w/o LEGAL provocation-too much to ask ??
For educational value alone, just like Watergate and IranContra hearings; though we have few like Sam Ervin or decent ones like H. Baker; we NEED this, for many reasons.
How about no more summary secret arrests and permanent "detention" with a little sensory-depriva tion (Remember J. Padilla?) -B.O."they told me it was okay and necessary" referring to Bradley Manning's shameful, just SHAMEFUL illegal treatment w/o charges-BO's scared maybe, or he's just their ...guy. I am tired of excuses, and tha's what they are-he can call press conferences anytime OOPS I mean after he checks w/Boehner-total ly unnecessary capitulation BEFORE any contest/debate/ negotiation there witnessed-WE cannot call press conferences. They (Congress) cannot stop ALL he has at his disposal; you know it; he knows it; do you think he wonders if we know it,or cares ?
Prosecute criminals, ALL; execute or imprison all war criminals!!!!!
 
 
+1 # AMLLLLL 2011-11-15 13:23
Mainstmentor:As the Prez was saying this, that was my exact thought. In my fantasies the other shoe would drop and he'd continue on, saying we would prosecute these war crimes, since they are against the Geneva Conventions, not just against what America stands for.
 
 
+16 # medusa 2011-11-14 13:26
It is wonderful to hear Obama state this fact (again). Nothing compromises our security more than the wanton violation of international law, and ridiculing the Geneva conventions, that began with the previous administration. Nothing would help us more than closing Guantanamo and ending all secret and indefinite detention.
 
 
+12 # ReconFire 2011-11-14 13:28
Two points as to why this is total B.S.

(1) Any reputable Intel. gather knows NO reliable information comes from torture. Torture victims will tell you whatever you want to here to stop the torture.

(2)Most Important - You don't torture you're enemy, because you don't want you're own personel tortured. What ever tactics you employ WILL be used against you.

Any Politician who advocates torture (especially Hawks that have never served) needs to be strapped in the chair..... Watch how quick they scream "uncle".
 
 
+2 # KittatinyHawk 2011-11-14 15:29
Those who torture do it more for the sport than for any good that comes of it.

Snitches give out information every minute for money, drugs....this was self serving to get their rocks off,
 
 
+9 # PGreen 2011-11-14 13:46
Given that Obama has systematically protected the Bush administration officials in charge of this (former?) US policy, we have to consider his comments disingenuous. Note that the article says Obama calls it contrary to American *traditions,* not US and international law. By failing to prosecute, Obama makes the opposing viewpoint (in favor of waterboarding and torture) legitimate, a mere policy difference, and undercuts Democratic party objections on legal grounds. This has made it more likely that we will see this policy reinstated. Not a very good thing from a man who supposedly objects to it.
 
 
0 # chick 2011-11-14 23:00
I repeat myself, with the Supreme Court we now have, Republicans in the majority of it, they would find them not guilty.

And if he were in favor of it he would not have stopped it.
Lets be fair. I sure wish they could be prosecuted but the Supreme Court (Corporations are People) Would never stand for it.
 
 
0 # Bluesguy 2011-11-15 00:23
It is the Congress, who investigates, (as if one's really needed-W admitted several crimes on national TV); and those hearings cannot be stopped by the SCOTUS.
If that is "futile" then what are we to do? shutup and accept that we have murderers in our power and do/did nothing, except cower and but their books ??
Read Bugliosi's "Betrayal Of America"=those 4-5 lobbyists-in-ro bes CAN be impeached.
We have to start a public narrative, OUR narrative; for instance, "one" could say that waterboarding is ILLEGAL, not just "wrong"-jeez, what a weaselly lawyer statement that was-embarrassin g as an American.
Stand up on your hind legs and hold forth with the truth; or kneel, ruining us; show us once more who you really are, Obama.
 
 
+10 # panhead49 2011-11-14 14:00
Youngest son went through SERE - I asked if it felt like he was drowning. He said he didn't feel like he was drowning - HE WAS DROWNING. I ask what he was thinking. He said he was thinking "I hope this BLEEPer knows what he's doing". No doubt in his mind it's torture. No doubt it's torture in the document we signed and Congress ratified. No doubt Bachmann & Cain (and W's buddies) would fail a brain scan.
 
 
+5 # Kootenay Coyote 2011-11-14 15:02
& it only took Obama 3 years to figure this out? ‘The practice simulates drowning and is viewed as torture by many.’ Including the USA, which hanged Japanese soldiers in 1945 for committing it.
 
 
+7 # bc@bcollins.org 2011-11-14 15:04
Obama switches into campaign mode. Now waterboarding is torture. But it wasn't for Bush and Cheney. The whole country gets into a lather about Joe Paterno, how he didn't do enough when he knew, etc. etc. And here we have a president who gets all sanctimonious about torture ONLY as a campaign device when he lets torturers off free. Hypocrisy.
 
 
+7 # pernsey 2011-11-14 15:09
Im glad he knows its torture!

Does Obama know that his plans and actions against Iran, are a republican thing? I hope this isnt pressure from Exxon/Mobil for more oil thuggery and more raping finances from American tax payers. The money just keeps trickling up to these greedy corporate piggies. I see this as stupid of a move as Bush going into Iraq, now we are finally getting out and he wants to move into another middle east country...I vote NO!
 
 
+7 # rom120 2011-11-14 16:23
Torture has no place in a civilized society, water boarding does not sound as bad as a medieval contraption one is strapped onto and arms and legs torn out of their sockets. America should not be surprised when their captured soldiers have to endure some other hybrid torture, after all American Republicans allow torture, what kind...who cares.
 
 
+7 # shambalah 2011-11-14 17:20
Only one way to find out is water boarding is, in fact, torture...let's tie the Groper and Ms. Bachmann to a board and start watering. We'll see what they decide.
 
 
0 # Paul Scott 2011-11-15 02:04
The issue is not what “anyone” thinks is, or is not, torture; the issue is how you yourself conduct yourself.

Romans 12: 17-21 condemns torture; therefore, anyone who condones torture is walking in quicksand. Republicans may change the name of things, but that does not change the fact of what it is. So it boils down to the point of who do you follow, liars like Cheney, Bush II, Rumsfeld, Bachmann, and Cain; or Christ, as for me it’s not even a close race. If I get to hell it will be because of my own thinking; certainly not from following people who so stupidly ignores that which Christ set forth in the New Testament.

Religious fanatics putting themselves under the law will be judged by the law; I know that I cannot keep the letter of the law; therefore, I accept the forgiveness through the blood of Christ; and that is why I am freeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeee
As the Apostle John puts it: John 8:36 “If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.”

And the Apostle Paul says: 1Cor 10:23 “All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.”
 

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