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			<title>wise old owl says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[The deniers -now- say they don't deny that the earth is warming, only that the warming is caused by humans (their arguments have "evolved"). After all, the earth has been warming and cooling for eons, they say, and it always will. Of course, they (willfully) fail to recognize that more than ~2M years ago, not only were there no actual humans around to suffer the consequences, but the location of land masses on the earth's surface was so different than it is today that no comparisons to today's climate are in any way meaningful. They also (willfully) fail to understand that the rate of change occurring today is orders of magnitude faster than any historical precedent. They attempt to pit the environment (that we all depend upon for survival itself) against the economy (a man-made construct that concentrates wealth at the top by taking it away from everyone else). What they/we need is an understanding of how the economy -that we design for ourselves- can be made to support sustainability to maintain a healthy planet for us all. What amazes me is how successful "they" (the monied elite who don't want to change anything) have been at getting "regular Joe's" to support their own destruction.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>wise old owl</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2012 11:10:25 -0800</pubDate>
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			<title>wise old owl says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Our "small" contributions of CO2 (around 90 Billion tons per year) have tipped the earth's natural cycles out of balance. Before we started altering our atmosphere, nature would put CO2 -and other gasses- into the atmosphere using volcanoes, and remove it from the ecosystem by pushing sequestered CO2 on the seabed floor under continental plates at tectonic plate intersections, until it could be reentered into the atmosphere via new volcano activity. If you don't understand natural systems, its easy to "believe" that any falsehood you're told could be true.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>wise old owl</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2012 10:56:33 -0800</pubDate>
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			<title>ruttaro says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Old Man, if only every American who thinks Obama is a socialist would reason as you do they would see that what you ask at the end is the form of socialism that is indeed, as you say, killing us. The fossil fuel industry passes the cost of cleaning up their messes on the taxpayers. They pass on the cost of health problems due to their use of dangerous chemicals spewing into the air, the water and the land. The plastic they make that contains just about everything we buy is floating in all the oceans, its combined area is the size of the Earth's entire land mass. Although the technology is here to make biodegradable and more environmentally safe products, the incentive to do so is not. What is that incentive? Make these corporations pay for the waste they create and we pay for. If more Americans could understand this, we might see a real honest competitive market where waste material would dramatically decrease, our health would increase, and our planet might have a chance. But so far, the lobbyists who call themselves defenders of capitalism are all too happy to fight for socialism when it comes to paying for their waste and pollution. Rather than force them with regulations which they will happily add to the cost of what we buy, we should add a clean-up pollution tax on their corporate profits. That way, their stockholders can foot the bill.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>ruttaro</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 03:59:45 -0800</pubDate>
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			<title>waldemar says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Not only has no one mentioned climate change/global warming in connection with these storms, but no one's mentioned the NEED to become less dependent on a single source of energy. Our grid was collapsed by Mother Nature, & no one's pointing out how easy it was and how vulnerable it makes us. We need to develop alternative sources for our energy needs, and build some redundancy into the distribution system. And we need to figure out how to live off the grid when it comes to that, because it will more & more often....]]></description>
			<dc:creator>waldemar</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2012 21:14:34 -0800</pubDate>
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			<title>Old Man says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Just think of all the products that are made out of oil, millions and it's polluting our world. If we don't have the entire world on board then I'm not sure we can solve this problem. Lets put a deposit on very Oil produced product and see how fast the world would cleans up. Recycling is a must, Waste Management won't take Styrofoam, pretty picky for being in the recycling business. Corporation's that produce this crap for profit should be made to recycle what they produce. There is 7 gals of oil in every car tire. I what to know why I see driving across country fields of truck and car tires just setting there waiting to catch on fire. Why is it we have to deal with all this corporate crap and have to clean-up after them. They're killing us all.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Old Man</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2012 15:26:22 -0800</pubDate>
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			<title>Buddha says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Amazing what Americans will swallow though. I had a friend say to me with a straight face, 100% serious, that Obama's EPA mandate that by 2014 coal plants have to conform to CO2 and mercury emission targets is going to skyrocket the price for electricity 12-fold! Now we can argue whether such a mandate will end up, prorated, costing very much, but 12-fold? The level of ignorance and self-delusion it requires to believe this is staggering...so it is no surprise that people with a high school education can convince themselves that they know more about physical chemistry and climatology and Climate Change than a PhD who has studied these fields their whole life...]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Buddha</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2012 14:16:39 -0800</pubDate>
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			<title>ruttaro says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Thorium might be a much better alternative but nothing would be cheaper than solar, solar thermal, geothermal and wind integrated into a new super grid. It only takes the political will to start the transition.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>ruttaro</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2012 12:49:43 -0800</pubDate>
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			<title>ruttaro says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Both of those "indisputable facts" are absolutely disputable because they are either false on the face of it or false based on the premise. Let's take the second "indisputable" fact as an example of the false premise of your argument. We can easily reduce our use of fossil fuels and improve the economy by a) employing hundreds of thousands in building the new energy platform based on renewables and b) renewables will be much cheaper as we scale up, lessening dependence on foreign sources becoming increasingly contested which would mean we could scale back on military might to protect the sources. Moreover, the savings would not just be from less military spending and cheaper renewable energy but we wouldn't have the health costs incurred through pollution or the massive amounts we pay to clean up from spills and environmental destruction like mountain top removal for coal mining. And of course there is the final savings: life as we know it on this fragile, shared planet. Your conclusion is correct, i.e. "without severely curtailing our economy and civilization". If we stay dependent on fossil fuels with ever increasing amounts being burned, we will come to your conclusion. As to your first contention, CO2 is significant in global warming as a greenhouse gas. The amount we have pored into the atmosphere has tipped the balance so that natural sequestration is overwhelmed. CO2 is not the worst;methane is several times worse and now being released in Siberia.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>ruttaro</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2012 12:47:57 -0800</pubDate>
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			<title>happycamper690 says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[As AndreM5 points out, we already have a functional fusion reactor beaming its energy down on us at a rate that can accommodate all of our energy needs. So simple. Just collect it. It is mostly pollution free (energy has to go into building collectors and distributing the output) and without cost. It's the only energy source we need.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>happycamper690</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2012 11:48:26 -0800</pubDate>
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			<title>AndreM5 says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Because fusion is very hard to achieve unless you happen to be a sun or a nuclear bomb. But these are a little hard to contain in a vessel for the purpose of boiling water.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>AndreM5</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2012 10:23:48 -0800</pubDate>
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			<title>asbpab1966 says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Snow in October is rare here in Rockland County, NY. But on Thursday, October 15, 2010, it snowed all day. If it weren't for the fact the the ground was too warm for it to stick, there would have been several inches. On Saturday, October 29, 2012, we had a major snowstorm which knocked out the power for days. And there has not been measurable snow since. We have had a number of very mild winters over the past half century, especially in the years ending with "2." In 1964, I was at the New York World's Fair and saw a fusion reactor demonstrated. Why don't we use fusion to generate electricity? Certainly the technology over nearly half a century must have made it practical by now. If not, why not?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>asbpab1966</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2012 10:17:25 -0800</pubDate>
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			<title>AndreM5 says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA["They" have NEVER had it "both ways." You need to start with sufficient facts before you accuse or worse draw odd conclusions. The facts of climate change are a significant increase in extreme weather events (that means hotter AND colder, wetter AND drier) while the overall temperature of the earth as sea increase. Increasing CO2 is an indisputable trend for 5 decades. Why is this so hard to hear?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>AndreM5</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2012 09:19:27 -0800</pubDate>
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			<title>brycenuc says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Two years ago during the extremely cold winter in the East, the "warmers" were unanimous in their cries that one cold snap does not overturn global warming. Now they are insisting that one hot spell proves global warming. They can't have it both ways. Whether or not climate is really warming he indisputable facts are that carbon dioxide is but a minor factor in climate change and the "feedback" from it is negative, meaning that any increase is highly limited and there is no "runaway" as claimed. A more important indisputable fact is that we cannot reduce our fossil fuel use without severely curtailing our economy and civiliatation]]></description>
			<dc:creator>brycenuc</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2012 08:53:35 -0800</pubDate>
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			<title>Helen says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[An excellent article. We are all in this together. Will global warming even be discussed during the presidential debates? We need to insist upon it.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2012 08:45:56 -0800</pubDate>
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			<title>Archie1954 says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Just wait, when Americans get too hot to handle it, the elites will be falling over each other to do something about it.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Archie1954</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2012 08:37:09 -0800</pubDate>
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			<title>granny6 says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Greed will be the undoing of us all. As long as those who are pushing to cut all regulations win we will all lose. I don't have waterfront property, nor do I want it. I would love to be able to live "off the grid". If people would wake up and look to see who put ads on TV they would learn a lot. The oil industry trying to tell oil sands have no environment impact is ludicrous. They only one I can't figure out is why are they backing teachers. Unless it is a ploy to privatize our public education. That is when we will lose all control of our public schools. Only the rich will be able to educate their children. Is this what we face? They will have to live in that world too. Life as they know it will no longer exist for them no matter what they tell them selves. Mother Nature will get them in the end.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>granny6</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2012 08:11:29 -0800</pubDate>
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